Respond vs React: How to Handle Life's Curveballs

Responding instead of reacting changes what happens after life throws you a curveball. In Part 1 of this two part conversation, Reignite Resilience hosts Natalie Davis and Pamela Cass sit down for an unscripted coffee talk episode built around one idea: the gap between an incident and your emotional response matters more than the incident itself.

The conversation opens with Natalie recording on the road this summer and Pam catching her watching her plants on camera from a hotel room, which leads into a story about a nest of baby birds that Pam watched fledge at a Fourth of July barbecue. From there, Natalie and Pam turn to a pattern they both notice in their own lives: how often small, unexpected things happen, from medical emergencies on airplanes to a guest canceling an interview an hour before airtime, which is exactly what happened to them today.

That last minute cancellation becomes the hosts' live example for the rest of the episode. Natalie breaks down the cycle most people get stuck in after something goes wrong: the physical reaction, the emotional response, and then the judgment that turns into a story you keep repeating to yourself. Pam introduces the "but did you die" philosophy she picked up from a friend's t shirt, and the two hosts trace how focusing on one bad moment invites you to keep finding more of them. The episode closes with Pam's story about a rental car toll booth mishap in Ireland that the hosts turned into one of their favorite travel stories instead of a source of stress.

In This Episode:

• Why the pause between an incident and your response matters more than the incident
• What happened when today's scheduled guest canceled an hour before recording
• The stimulus, emotion, judgment, story cycle that keeps people stuck after setbacks
• The "but did you die" philosophy for putting problems into perspective
• Why focusing on one bad moment invites you to notice more of them

Part 2 of this conversation continues with more unexpected travel stories and closes out the episode. Natalie and Pam prove that the story you tell yourself after something goes wrong matters more than the thing that went wrong.

The Quiet Gift: A Journey of Self Worth and Resilience is now available for download as an audible.  Check it out!

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:06

All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm. And now here are your hosts, Natalie Davis and Pamela Kat.

SPEAKER_04 0:46

Welcome back to another episode of the Reignite Resilience Podcast. I am your co-host Natalie Davis and so excited to be back with all of you today. And joining me, of course, your co-host Pam Cass. Hello, Pam.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

How are you? Hello. It looks like we're both uh logging in from um other spaces.

unknown 1:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

So we're on the move. Uh shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:09

Absolutely. Absolutely. It's summer. And I have just kind of uh I'm I'm pushing myself to the limits. And I said, you know, if I've created this life that allows me to work from anywhere, why am I not working from anywhere? And so that's what my summer will look like. And so don't be surprised if you see new spaces every call.

SPEAKER_02 1:29

Well, I like that, but then there's part of me that's like, ugh, do we want to work everywhere?

SPEAKER_04 1:35

I I there is like a mental piece that had that that I a block that I have to get through because there are some things that I feel 100% comfortable doing on the road. Uh, there are other things where I'm like, I'd rather be in my controlled environment to do them. Um, so I'm teaching like a multi-hour class later this week, and I'm like, yeah, I think I'll go home now. I think I need to go home in order to teach the class. But I feel like I could record a podcast just about anywhere, and I think that's just because of habit, right? Like I think one of the very, very, very, very early episodes I recorded from a car.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Um I just a car on the side of the mountain using some, I don't know, hot spot of your phone or something was like, okay, this is next level.

SPEAKER_04 2:20

Yes, exactly. It is, it is a level of commitment. Um, I've done a podcast out in like nature. I was just at like a picnic table sitting in nature, and that would have been fine had it not been for like a storm that rolled in at the exact same time as our recording. So that's always fun. But, anyways, yeah, I am I am uh yeah, in route. And the other piece of it, I think, other than like the mental block, is just um like my plants. That's always my thing. Like I know that I have everything on auto watering, but I always get nervous about my plants.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

So I also have them set up on camera so I could watch them to make sure that they're still I love this because most people have their cameras set up so they can watch their pets at home. You're watching your plants grow.

SPEAKER_04 3:08

My plants.

SPEAKER_02 3:08

I don't have pets at home, so yeah. Oh, that's awesome. And I'm sure you're not alone. I'm sure there are other people that are watching.

SPEAKER_04 3:17

There are other people that are like that. This is priorities. Like I will rush on home if I need to go take care of my plants. I guess I could do it for my bird feeders, but those are not necessarily my pets, but I feel like they're mine. I feel obliged that I have to feed them, otherwise, they won't eat.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

It's funny. We were at a uh barbecue, it was 4th of July this last weekend at a friend's house, and their uh back patio has a roof on it, but it was really high, and they have a speaker and there's a nest on there. And as we're sitting there, like, yeah, there's babies in the nest. And of course, they have their little heads like poked up, and it was time for them to get fed. Well, there were so many of us on the patio, and we're listening to music and we're talking, and there's dogs running around that the mom and the dad were sitting in the tree squawking at the babies, babies were squawking at the mamas. They're like, Yeah, we we want to eat, we're starving. We're starving. And the poor mom's like trying to figure out like, can I get on the roof and how can I get there? And we're trying to be quiet. And then most of us go inside. Next thing we come outside, one of them's on the ground, and then flutters like barely off the ground over to a bush. And then momma found that one. And then I did get the report because I'm like, well, the poor other one's up there by himself, and he's right. And and so my friend said, nope, they were able to coax him out of the nest. So all baby, all three of them are out of the nest. Mama and are watching them, they're all in the trees around the yard.

SPEAKER_04 4:47

And uh yeah, so and now they need to put a net up because a bigger bird like a hawk or an eagle will come and eat it. And so now that's it's like this whole thing. Now they have they are obligated to protect those babies.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

Those babies. So I know I went off on a tangent because you talked about the bird feeder, but it just reminded me of that. Oh yeah. You know, when the beauty of nature and the struggle that, you know, even the littlest of guys have with that initial jumping out, yes, taking its first little flutter across trying to take flight.

SPEAKER_04 5:21

It was like, you know what? If you're not gonna come feed me, that's the courageous one. If you're not gonna come feed me, I'll go find my own food. And then it fell face down, face planted. Um, you know, and I think is it birds that like if they leave the nest too soon, like the the family just rejects them?

SPEAKER_02 5:36

Like they're not part of the well, most of the time if they leave it soon, they don't make it. But well, there's a little carcasses.

SPEAKER_04 5:42

Listen, and we don't need like the the PETA folks to come after us. I know that I don't need to get in, I don't need to interject into the circle of life. I get it. But I know what I do like leaving a little extra bird seed out for the birds and I do protect the rabbits in my yard.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

There's enough of them out there that they can do it in other people's yards. Those hawks.

SPEAKER_03 6:06

I yeah, I I I just I I trust that they can do it on their own. I just give them a little extra snack. They can come to my house for a snack. Call me a snacker or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

This whole, oh, it's nature, nature's cruel. I'm like, well, you know what? Sometimes nature needs a little hand. A little help. A little who doesn't love an extra snack every once in a while. Absolutely. She had a plate of millworms out there because she was so afraid that they weren't getting enough food.

unknown 6:38

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

If I would have gone that far, but um, you know.

SPEAKER_04 6:42

I would have.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

I mean, if you're watching your plants, you're gonna be you're gonna be feeding the birds.

SPEAKER_04 6:49

Exactly. I I would have, I would have, I would have feed yeah, I would have fed them, the the little ones especially, and the mom just making her life easier.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

Again, what mother out there does not want somebody to just make life easier? Like, are you kidding? I take it all day.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

Shame and asking for a little help.

SPEAKER_04 7:06

A little help, exactly, exactly. Oh my gosh. Well, I love it. Well, to uh for our listeners uh that are tuning in, welcome. Uh, we don't have a guest that's joining us today, so you get to just um have the opportunity to visit and well, not visit, we're gonna visit. You get to hear from him and I visit.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

You get to just listen in on our combo. I feel like it's the normal, like just us having a conversation.

SPEAKER_04 7:31

Yes, just having coffee cup, coffee talk.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

Yeah, because this is this is what our time together typically is about. That's true.

SPEAKER_04 7:38

It's a hundred percent true. Yes, that's exactly right.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

So if you if you don't feel like you're in our living room with us and uh chit-chatting around the coffee table, then no.

SPEAKER_04 7:48

Go get a beverage, sit down, sit down, join up, posey up, let's visit.

unknown 7:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

Always, we always have some sort of shenanigans that are there's always you know what life life.

SPEAKER_04 8:00

That's the thing. I think that's what's always interesting, is that life is gonna continue to life. And if you can't like just, you know, make the most of it as it's happening for you. I was gonna say to you, as it's happening for you, um, then what's the point? What's the point? You have these fabulous experiences or experiences, good, bad, or indifferent, uh, that just pass you by and then what? Then what happens?

unknown 8:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

And I think what, you know, we've been around long enough that I think one of the things that we have very much in common is that when stuff happens, and I'm gonna use the night word, when stuff happens, we usually laugh about it. We might at first be like, whoa, but then um, then we laugh about it and we just kind of move on. So I we were thinking this episode would be a fun one to just talk about those unexpected things that happen and then how you respond to them because it does, it does matter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:01

Oh my gosh, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

I've got a couple that just came up as things are happening, as we're as we're chit-chatting and um.

SPEAKER_04 9:10

As we're chit-chatting, and that's well, you know, it's funny that you say that because that's I last year, I think I talked about this on the show. Last year, I um during my travel, it was like every other, maybe every third flight, there was like something that happened on the plane. And my daughter and I were talking, and she's like, why is something always happening on your flights? And I said, I think it's just because of the frequency of my travel. There's a higher percentage, right? There's higher probability for things to happen because I'm on a plane more frequently. And so I just chalk it up to that, not the fact that something literally happens. I mean, out of the entire year, I want to say there were four flights where they had to like call it. Is there a trained medical professional on the flight on board? Right. Like there was a medical incident.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 9:58

Um, I've never been on the flights though where there's like a brawl, but anyway, I go.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

Let's not even put that in the universe.

SPEAKER_04 10:05

I'm not interested in seeing that. I'm good in not seeing that. I'm not interested in seeing that at all. No.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

At all.

SPEAKER_04 10:13

But those are the ones that trend. I don't, I don't have those experiences, but there's always something. There's uh it it's you know, someone's anyways, it it it gets it gets fun, it gets exciting, it's it's adventure. But yeah, how you respond and react in that. And I am so like, I'm in my bubble when I travel. I'm not a person that wants to sit down on the plane and talk to the person next to me. I don't want to hear your story. I don't want to engage. I actually try not to even breathe in the air of the plane. So for like the less than I have to like move my body and engage, the better. And I definitely like put my bag up. Yeah, I put my bag under the seat in front of me. I sit down, I plug in my headphones, and I do whatever it is that I'm gonna work on.

SPEAKER_02 10:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:56

And so I don't connect and engage with people. So for all of these things to happen, I pretty much like cocoon myself in this safety bubble and then I stay there the entire flight until I get off.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

Well, in fairness to us, I mean, you and I are both introverts. And yes, introverts, um, we need our alone, quiet time to church. And so when we are going to be with other people, whether it's teacher, teaching, speaking, coaching, or just interacting with people, as long as we're able to walk away, we're good. You can't walk away on a plane. And so for a long time, I'm like, God, I'm so antisocial. Uh the lot the worst thing for an introvert would be just stuck next to somebody that just wants to chittity chat for two and a half hours and you have nowhere to go unless you go up front, open the plane door, and jump. And what you become quite inclined to do. You become the situation, yes. Yeah, and then they're doing emergency landing because introverts.

SPEAKER_04 11:52

Exactly. I was yeah, yeah. No, that's that's the thing. And I as you were even saying that, I was like, okay, would I be okay if I was sitting next to somebody that just wanted to hear themselves talk? Or would I prefer to be next to somebody that like is very inquisitive and they're asking all the questions? Because both sound painful.

SPEAKER_02 12:10

Terrible.

unknown 12:12

Terrible.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

Terrible.

SPEAKER_04 12:15

And like, I think was it you that said it to me? You don't you don't like peopleing? No, people is very hard. Yeah. I mean, it's not hard. I just I'd rather not. It's not hard, it's perfectly fine. I just would rather not.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

Yeah, we have to intentionally people.

SPEAKER_04 12:29

Yes, exactly. Yeah, yeah, I'm okay with like, and listen, I like people, I like humanity, I think everyone is lovely. Um, it just takes a lot out of me. And so when when you have to people too long, um, it it's it's a lot. And and depending on which leg of the flight you're catching me on, right? Like if you're catching me on the leg where I'm coming home after I've just peopled for three days or what have you, forget it. You're getting the headphones in. I'm not even making eye contact. At least if I'm heading to an event, I'll make eye contact. Um but I'm still putting my headphones in.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

I'm still putting those in. Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's so funny.

SPEAKER_04 13:12

It it helps to like buffer off and put me in a safe space, right? Like whatever it is that's feeding into my ears, it's usually good and safe and protective.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

And so it's like it's meditation music, it's like classical relaxation music. So I'm not listening to heavy metal, you know, I'm not listening to any of that type of stuff. It's very much about just Zen.

SPEAKER_04 13:33

We don't need to be aggressive. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I don't need that. I have so much energy already bottled up inside of me. I definitely don't need that to like pulsate through my cells.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

No. But when those unexpected things happen, like today, we had an unexpected thing, like just an hour before we were supposed to get on and and do an interview, the guests canceled. And at first, I know Natalie thought this. I know I thought this was like, oh, I get an hour and a half back in my life. I can blah blah. And it wasn't fun, it was work stuff. I'm like, oh, I can work on this, blah, blah, blah. And then I texted you hoping you said, no, we're good. But then you kind of was like, well, crap, she's hesitating. I gotta hesitate. And then we hesitate. We're like, all right, let's just do it. We've got to do it.

SPEAKER_04 14:22

We gotta get on and do it. Exactly. Yeah. It's one of those, and it's so interesting because I mean it's summertime, right? So we get it. Like people are busy, and we understand. I mean, I've been in a season of life where I've overcommitted. There are still times in my life where I overcommit. I get that piece of it too. But I feel like when you're off schedule, that you know it well in advance of an hour before the actual show. And so for honestly, I didn't see get the notification. Pam got the notification first, and I was like, oh no, our system must have glitched. Like, right? There's no way. Like, I literally have my setup. Like, we're we're going in. And then Pam was like, nope, I think, I think they're not showing up today. And that's so I'm like scrambling and I'm like, okay, is it a system glitch or is this person truly not showing up? And then lo and behold, there is a message. I'm not coming. Life is crazy. Well, guess what? Your ripple of crazy just made like our life potentially crazy, but we're not gonna allow that, right? Because I think that's what we're talking about today is like, how do you respond? Yeah, not react. How do you respond when things don't go as planned? How you envisioned it, how you um set it up. I think just uh one of our recent episodes I shared, like here I am mid-2026, and I am like anxiously chomping at the bit to get my 2027 calendar up because I'm already putting things on my calendar for January and February, seven months later, right? And so to say that I had my day planned out today would be an understatement.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Every minute of it.

SPEAKER_04 15:57

Like Exactly, exactly. Yeah, but it is one of those things, it's like, okay, you just you you uh for me at least, it's like I take a moment, I assess, and then I respond. It's like, okay, yeah, that's outside of my control, has nothing to do with me. You're not here, great. What is still within that circle of control for me? And so it's like, okay, we are the ones that have a program that we're offering to this community that we've created. It's our responsibility, it's not our responsibility for our guests, like their loyalty is to us. And well, that was thrown out the window.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

So and so here we are. Here we are.

SPEAKER_04 16:33

And here we are. Just the three of us. Here we sit.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

Three of us. Yeah, and it's it's interesting because I I think it's I'm gonna throw it out there as like an age thing. I think just the older I get, the less I am reactive about things. Because you know, when when an event happens, we instantly react. And I think it's like between one and seven seconds, and it's it's our body reacts, not even our brain. And then it's 10 seconds we create that judgment about it. So that's then when our brain steps in and comes up with a with the judgment. And I guess I I think that we're probably just more aware of that cycle that we go through. And me, I'm much like, uh, you know what, it is what it is. And and I always think about the t-shirt that I have that my friend Beth gave me, but did you die? Exactly. No, I didn't. I didn't, yeah. And life goes on. And I know that we can always talk about something that will have hopefully some message for our listeners.

SPEAKER_04 17:42

So a hundred percent. A hundred percent. I like that saying a lot. Like it's it's our good friends over at the hangover that gave us that, but did you die? Right. And so it's I I sometimes I want to respond to people with that. I'm like, but did you die? And then I'm like, that's insensitive, Natalie. You can't say that.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

Or you could say, well, did you lose a finger?

SPEAKER_04 18:01

Did you lose did what did you what is really at stake here? But that's I think, Pam, what you you touch on is this this this narrative that this the cycle that we all go through. And you're exactly right. It's like it's the emotional, the well, the physiological response and then the emotional response and the judgment, right? Like and the judgment is where we start to create the new story that makes the cycle just continue over and over and over again. And so we've just reached a point where we're like the action, the incident, whatever it is occurred, we can feel what we can feel, whatever. That's fine. And it's how quickly we get back to okay, here's the incident that occurred, and not I can't believe, I can't believe they canceled. Like, what how rude of them? Like, do they just have no consideration? Like, and then you create this whole narrative, like doesn't matter. They canceled. Now what? Like, right? Like that's does it suck? Sure. Does it change my schedule? Sure. Now we're, you know, looking at things a little bit differently, but it I could stay in that energetic space of, well, that sucked and that was disrespectful, and why wouldn't they honor people's times? And why are they insensitive? And that's the judgment. That's the judgment.

SPEAKER_02 19:09

That's the judgment that will then become the story. That becomes a story. Everybody, nobody ever honors their, you know, their commitments and blah. And I'm just like, I frankly, at my age, I don't have extra room inside my head to be holding all these stories.

SPEAKER_04 19:23

No, not at all. Not at all. Let it go. Let that go. Let it go and bring it right back to the incident. And and if you, if you realize that you may be that person that like you, you have the incident or the experience, and then the emotional response and the reaction and the judgment and the storytelling, what ultimately happens if you don't bring yourself back to the incident to truly respond and not react is that then you go into looking for other situations or reasons to confirm this new story and narrative that you've created, right? Like it's about the person or the experience or you have a streak of what bad luck or fill in the blank of whatever it is. And so you're constantly looking for confirmation to uphold this new story that you've told. And um, spoiler alert, if you're looking for that confirmation, you're going to find that confirmation. And then it just that cycle continues over and over again. And you place whatever incident or instance that triggers that emotional response, and you're gonna go through that same loop over and over and over again. And I think people don't recognize that, right? And it's the emotional piece that goes into the story, it's anger, it's frustration, it's all of the negative things, right? And and it can also be the positive things, because that's the that that one doesn't feel as bad, right? Like, oh, that was amazing. That's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're still creating a story around it. Like you gotta bring it back. What's the incident? That's just it.

SPEAKER_02 20:47

Like invent and then move for it on from it. And you'll know that you're doing this when something happens that's a challenge. And then all of a sudden it seems like oh wow, everything's happening. And then you hear the oh, bad things happen in threes. No, it happens because you keep focusing on the bad thing, and you're and and now you're walking around looking for two more. Yes, the universe will comply and it will give you another plate of of poo poo. That's it, because that's what you're focusing on. And so you're focused on. I do not want that. You do not want that. And so um I was thinking, I was in I was in Ireland last uh a week ago, and we rented a car and decided to, you know, drive on the wrong side of the road for the period of time they were there on very narrow roads. And we paid the correct side for Ireland, though. But yes, it's very different.

SPEAKER_04 21:47

The unfamiliar side for you.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Yes, familiar side for us, which is you know, we're thinking like, okay, usually it's righty tidy, it's for the turns. It's like, nope, right, right loose. So go go wide.

SPEAKER_04 21:57

Right is wide.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

Yeah, exactly. We'd come to an an intersection and we would say this. So we paid for a pass so you didn't have to stop at the tolls. And so it was like the fast pass so that you could go through the lane. And so we're heading to um the Blarney Castle and we're on the highway and come to a toll. And there's the fast lane, and there's a whole line of us like in line to go. And so the guy in front of us goes through, the arm opens because his little sensor detected it. And so we just go right behind him and the arm goes like this because the rental company forgot to put the little thingy on our car. Oh. So instead of him stopping, he speeds up and runs it. And then I see in the rear view mirror all the flashing of the lights being cameras taking. Cameras taking pictures of your license plate. Yes. I'm like, well. Um, and but the thing is, is if we had stopped, what were we gonna do? What were you gonna do? Line of cars behind us. Yes. You think those people are gonna back up and let us oh no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 23:08

Oh no, no, no. Oh, you're about to piss everyone off if you do that. We just owned it and we went, and he's like, Well, that's gonna cost me some money.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

That is gonna cost you some money, but you know what?

SPEAKER_04 23:20

It didn't like it. It would have been so much worse.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

And we it we laughed about it, and it just made this absolutely hilarious story the rest of the time. And of course, every other toll from then we stopped and we put the coins in, but it was just things like that where you're just Oh, so it never activated. We never activated, and so when we returned the car, we let them know and they're like, We'll take care of all that. Don't worry about it, we'll credit you back, the money you spent on the all of it. Just yeah, so it's just one of those things.

SPEAKER_04 23:53

We could have gotten mad, we could have been Did you did you tell them that you ran the first toll station? Like, are they aware that they're gonna cut cover that too?

SPEAKER_02 24:01

We did. We did. I was just afraid we were gonna get arrested.

SPEAKER_04 24:05

Some thanks. Like I was waiting for you to say like the lights were the sirens. Like it's like immediate. Like, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

We got our picture taken and we're gonna be all over the news and listen, your face was all over their system. That's fine. Don't you worry about it. Fugitives, fugitives, and we're like, okay. And so we're thinking if we ever go back, we're gonna be uh detained in customs.

SPEAKER_04 24:30

100%.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

I'm surprised that they let you leave. You know you went through customs, but they you know what they didn't ask me? They asked me if I, you know, bought any like really expensive jewelry, and I was like, no, they didn't say, Did you run a toll thing? And I no, they didn't. So I didn't answer because they didn't tell me. Be more specific with your questions. Yes, you're gonna put the questions so that I can give you a proper answer, but I'm not exactly. I'm gonna give you the appropriate answer that will fit this scenario right now.

unknown 24:58

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 24:59

And they didn't ask, I don't tell. So, and and frankly, I wasn't driving. So I will plead that I wasn't driving. I don't know, but he did. I have no idea. I told him not to.

SPEAKER_04 25:08

I was so upset. No. Oh, you're you're like, really? Because this angled photo shows you laughing hysterically.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

So that's I don't think I was laughing when the flashes are going off. I'm sure I was like, oh my seeing that arm come down and I'm like, oh my god, it's gonna hit the car. Yes, he and I don't his reflexes, man, he just put the pedal to the metal and beat it so that it didn't even touch the car.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

Absolutely. We're moving on. We're not what why would we stop? We prepaid. We're going.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Just like stopped and like started crying.

SPEAKER_04 25:44

Oh my gosh. I don't know. In that incident, I don't know what I would have done. Oh my gosh, that's awesome. That is awesome. Well, there's I again, life life has a way of lifing, right? Like that's when I say we were talking about peopling earlier. I turn everything into a verb. So life is always lifing. And that's those are the things. Like you could have spent time freaking out, or even if you got into like the emotional piece of it, like you could have you could have sat there with the arm down. Oh, just processing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

What do I do now? Well, it reminds us of me of our trip to when we were in Spain and we were gonna go get on the shuttle to go to Morocco. Yes, on the ferry, on the ferry, and we decided it was a to go get paella before the shuttle. And so Dave and your daughter like lying because they're like, We're not, we don't have time for that.

SPEAKER_04 26:38

And we don't want paella. They didn't want paella. They were very adamant that they didn't want paella.

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We're like you and Ben and I are like, hold on a second. We are in Spain, we need paella.

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