Fly Fishing, Wellness, and Resiliency with Berin Jacob Wachsmann (part 1)

Natalie and Pam talk with Berin Wachsmann about fly fishing, wellness, and resiliency. Learn how nature, mindset, and service strengthen daily life.

Episode Summary:
Natalie Davis and Pamela Cass welcome Berin Wachsmann, a Colorado fly fishing guide and life coach. He shares how time in nature, mindful presence, and joyful energy fuel resiliency and mental health. The conversation explores lessons from fly fishing, practical wellness habits, and how to focus on the journey over outcomes.

What You’ll Learn:
• How fly fishing mirrors life lessons in patience and presence
• Why joyful energy shifts both fishing and personal outcomes
• Ways to hold space and lead during difficult times
• Simple daily practices that strengthen resiliency

Key Takeaways:
• Presence beats distraction.
• The journey matters more than the outcome.
• Invest in health now to avoid higher costs later.
• Service to others builds your own resiliency.

Notable Quotes:
“Today is the best day of my life so far.” – Berin Wachsmann
“It isn’t about the destination. It is about the journey.” – Berin Wachsmann

Practical Steps for Listeners:
Mirror work: two minutes of self-connection daily.
Upgrade your water source, at home and while traveling.
Walk outdoors for one hour and seek morning light.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome to Reignite Resilience
• 2:12 Processing Collective Trauma and Grief
• 10:11 Barron's Journey: Ranch Life to Real Estate
• 16:20 Overcoming Personal Injuries and Challenges
• 22:13 Fly Fishing Saves Lives
• 27:06 Joyful Energy on the Water
• 29:11 The Legendary Hailstorm Adventure

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:06

All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. Resilience where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm. And now here are your hosts, natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.

Speaker 2: 0:42

Welcome back to another episode of Reignite Resilience. I am your co-host, natalie Davis, and I'm so excited to be back with everyone. And, of course, joining me is Pam Kass. Hello Pam, how are you?

Speaker 3: 0:53

I am good.

Speaker 2: 0:56

There was some reservation there.

Speaker 3: 0:58

There was a little reservation and here's why and I wasn't going to say anything but this has been a really tough week, I think, not only for our state but also our country and our kids, because I've got kids kind of in that college kind of age and you know, between a person in public figure who was assassinated in front of thousands of children, and I've got friends that have kids that are in college in Utah to in front of his wife, his kids, to a school shooting in Colorado that happened the exact same day to the 24th anniversary of 9-11. And so I'm just thinking about significant events that have happened throughout my life and throughout most people's life. Everyone has had some significant thing that has happened where you can remember what I was doing, where I was when this thing happened. I mean I remember sitting in class watching the Challenger explode, as we were watching it in junior high. I'm aging myself. I remember when Princess Diana died. I was a young mother and thinking about her kids. I remember when Columbine shooting happened and I had a daughter in school, and I remember when 9-11 happened.

Speaker 3: 2:12

And so these are significant events and I find that people will gravitate towards just obsessing about the news and now social media and they just like looking for answers to help them process.

Speaker 3: 2:25

You know the anger, the fear, the sadness and everything that they feel, and so I found myself going down that spiral and then trying to explain it to my kids, and so it was just. It's been a heavy week, and when you think about our podcast on resilience, you know what does resilience mean, and I think it's different for everyone, and it's not about bouncing back quickly. It's about allowing yourself to feel those emotions and then figuring out what works for you to be able to move forward. Whether that's prayer, whether it's being with friends, whether it's talking about it with people, whatever that is, but then allowing yourself quickly to move forward, because we have had so many incredible guests that have gone through unthinkable things, and every single one of them has taken that thing and created something beautiful that has is and has made a difference in people's lives, and so I just wanted to mention it today because it's just on my heart.

Speaker 2: 3:23

No, perfect. No, I'm glad that you did. Thank you for sharing that. And it's so interesting because I've connected with a couple of friends and friends that have kids that are in school here in Colorado, and then just the number of lockdowns they've gone through leading up to and after the Evergreen incident, and so it's definitely been an emotional roller coaster. Yeah, and so just allowing space it's. I've been on a couple of calls today where there's just been space that's been created just for remembrance, for appreciation, for respect. I think that's the biggest piece is just the respect. I commend those leaders that can truly step up and hold that space to have that empathy and the respect and the understanding, because that's a big part of humanity that sometimes we forget.

Speaker 3: 4:08

So, yeah, it's so interesting you go there, because I think I got on the call today and or got on to record the pod today and I was like, oh my gosh, it's only midday, I have so much more still to do and I've yet I've done so much already, as you know, I am heading into a retreat yes Evening and I will be in a retreat through Sunday evening and so, yeah, so it's getting myself in that mindset of being around other people and you know, I mean, and I'm excited to kind of move forward and do something that's going to be positive and yeah it's going to be great, and this retreat is actually the wrap up for an entire program that you are part of, so I'm excited to hear how it all pans out for you, because you've touched on kind of all the key areas of life as you've worked together as a group and yeah, and so this is kind of the final one.

Speaker 3: 4:58

Our last one was the silent retreat which we talked about, and this one is called Unshakable Love. Talked about, and and this one is called unshakable love. So I'm excited this will, this will be a perfect, perfect retreat to have this weekend.

Speaker 2: 5:08

I love it. Oh my gosh, I'm sure that it's going to be magical. I am positive of that it will be. I love it. I love it. Well, we have a guest today. I'm partial, so guess that I'm excited to have on. I didn't do any arm twisting or anything, so I want to just set the record straight with that. Just why don't you tell our? Why don't you tell our listeners?

Speaker 3: 5:31

All right. So today. He is born and raised in Fort Collins, colorado and Southern Wyoming, on a horse and cattle ranch. Barron developed a strong work ethic and love of the outdoors. He is known for his incredible positive outlook, integrity and calm, consistent demeanor. Often his friends have referred to him as the most thoughtful person in the room. Barron has been involved with building and real estate industry since 1994 and has built and or remodeled over a hundred homes and closed over 750 transactions. He believes in magic and is a great communicator with excellent people and soft skills.

Speaker 3: 6:15

Barron has held all four insurance licenses, a Colorado contractor's license and currently has a Colorado real estate license, as well as being a certified fly fishing guide and life coach. Some of Varon's hobbies include fly fishing, woodworking, building furniture with frequency, reading, writing, working out and traveling. He is fond of saying today is the best day of my life so far. I love that, and his current goal is to write a couple of short essays, books and establish his own curriculum to help people heal their trauma and learn about themselves through the sport of fly fishing and being surrounded by nature. Welcome, we are so glad you are here.

Speaker 4: 7:02

Thank you. First of all, I want to say I'm humbled and honored to be here, and thank you to ladies. I think what? Is this? The 160th episode or?

Speaker 2: 7:13

Ish, yes, Ish a couple of years.

Speaker 4: 7:17

I followed the journey avid listener, listened to every episode and I just think it's beautiful that the two of you stepped out with courage into the unknown to give a space for people to share their story and be seen and to give space for a community that you two wanted to foster, which I think speaks a lot to the two of you and your character and what you two are doing.

Speaker 4: 7:44

I think it's just wonderful. And, pam, you were saying some things earlier and you know my mom was a corrections officer, right, so I was around a lot of first responders, sheriff's swat they used to come to the horse ranch and hunt and I happened to be at the worldwide headquarters for project healing waters, which heals veterans through the sport of fly fishing, is in windsor, colorado, here in our backyard, and I was at their headquarters on 9-11 with the ceo, john st langford. And the opportunity that the two of you are giving through this podcast to showcase other people, people like myself, and the ability to share your story and the resilience and the resilient nature of humans and love and compassion, I think personally is the healing that the country or the world actually needs for things like this week.

Speaker 2: 8:48

Thank you for that. Thank you, I actually never thought of the podcast as that, but it absolutely is that space where people can come to and we hold that for you to be seen, to be heard, sharing your story, and our hope is for you to launch, if that's where you want to go, or just sharing your message. So I've never thought about it until you just mentioned it that way. So thank you for sharing that, yeah.

Speaker 4: 9:11

Well, thank you too for having me. I appreciate it very much.

Speaker 2: 9:14

Well, kick us off, barron. I want to hear your story, tell us about yourself. You went into a little bit about your mom being a correction officer that had a lot in shaping who you are.

Speaker 4: 9:29

Tell us a little bit about your mom being a correction officer. That had a lot in shaping who you are. Tell us a little bit about yourself. It did. I was born and raised here in Fort Collins on a horse ranch north of town and my parents and grandparents had cattle ranches in southern Wyoming. My whole life that, moving from the city, being a skateboarder, snowboarder. When I was like 12, I thought my world was over, right no more cement. I wouldn't have it any other way. It definitely taught me a lot about a strong work ethic and love of the outdoors. It also taught me about horses and how to rope and ride and do these fun range things and vent, fence and put up hay and so on and so forth and and uh, how to paint yes, I had an interesting childhood.

Speaker 4: 10:05

My mom was a corrections officer who was married five times, and a couple of those gentlemen came from corrections facilities. So I went through some heartache, I would say there, but it was all perfect. It was all perfect. Everything led up to the man I am today, and I like to tell people your past is perfect because it put you where you are today. And perfect doesn't mean pleasant, it doesn't mean that, but it does mean for a lot of us that it gives you the opportunity to evolve into the human being and either. It's, pam, something you said earlier. I was thinking. It's not always about what happened, it's about what happens after the thing right, how you react to that.

Speaker 4: 10:51

Went to college early, did not end up graduating CSU nor high school. Actually, I ended up with this close to an associate's degree and got into the building industry and went to Vail for five years and learned how to build timber, frame and log homes and all my friends were graduating with computer science degrees and a lot of debt and no job, and so when I went to vale I was like I'm not going to look back and got a contractor's license, came back to fort collins and had an opportunity, ironically, on 9-11, when it actually happened. I do know where I was because my lead carpenter, james Lidzo his father flew the flight from Philly to DC. That was his flight, the one that crashed into the Pentagon, and that gentleman was sitting next to me as we were driving in and all this happened and he was freaking out because he thought his dad was on the plane. Turns out, his dad called in sick that day of all days, right, no accidents in the universe. A little bit later I had a bunch of lots in Greeley, a bunch in Loveland. My uncles were in real estate. My uncle called and said I don't know if it's a good time for you to be a builder. I've got somebody who will take your lots in Loveland. Gentleman called the next day, said I'll buy your lots in Greeley. And another gentleman called the third day and said I heard you wanted to buy into a real estate company. Do you still want to do that? So in three days my life changed. I bought into a real estate company and got my insurance licenses and then ended up getting my real estate license 25 years ago.

Speaker 4: 12:39

As I like to tell people, it was my Friday night essence on Friday night, or Friday morning, if you're driving to work and the boss calls and says, hey, take the day off with pay, do whatever you want to do. What would you go do? What are the five things you might go do when you're like, oh, I got the day off and it's paid and do whatever I want? Well, just so happened that Friday I was on the phone trying to do another fix and flip and buy another house and do another remodel and all this stuff, and I'm like, well, that's what I would do. I'm a deal junkie, I'm going to get into real estate. I can always go back to being a contractor. And so that's how I got into real estate.

Speaker 4: 13:13

Ironically, it was 25-24 years ago, right right, when 9-11 happened. And and uh, like I said, close to me, because my lead carpenter's dad flew on that flight and I have a lot of friends in in Manhattan too. So, anyhow, that's a little bit about my story. I've uh gone through some intense stuff over my life. I've've been burned as a teenager, second, third degree burns all over my hands and face, which taught me how to paint, because I got grounded for the summer and had to paint the barn hand paint the barn for my mom.

Speaker 2: 13:47

We should probably go back. The burns were a result of you being experiment.

Speaker 4: 13:54

Yes, I had an affinity for, uh, fire, let's say. And things went sideways and so I had second, third degree burns all over my hands and face. I say weird things, but things that happened. I was jumped that same year, had all my teeth, all these teeth, knocked out, my nose broken. I had to have all those teeth clipped out of braces and put back in with no Novocaine. I want to say I've never broken a bone, but earlier this summer I fell off of a roof and had a 200-pound ladder hit me and shatter my nose and broke it, and it had been broken before. So I think this time it broke it the right way and healed it, if that makes sense. Perfect. I feel like I can breathe better pam, don't feed feed into that we don't know you.

Speaker 4: 14:46

Yeah, cut my foot with a chainsaw. It just interesting things how to snowboard.

Speaker 3: 14:52

You cut your foot with a chainsaw, like you, you just skip. I got a splinter.

Speaker 4: 14:57

That was another deal on the farm where my mom was like hey, I need you to start the chainsaw. And I did it without shoes on and the chainsaw started and then skipped and then went right across my foot and I ended up in the hospital and abnormal things Later in life. I was into snowboarding, got sponsored, won a big air contest and happened to snap my ACL and was in pre-op for surgery and was like I just got sponsored, I can't do this, I can't be out for two years, so snowboard for another couple of years until I tore my MCL and my meniscus, and that's when I actually went back to CSU for a little while and ended up buying that horse farm from my parents and they moved to their ranch and I took over out there.

Speaker 4: 15:39

But yeah, my upbringing was interesting and, my mom being a corrections officer, I grew up around the SWAT and the sheriff and so you know to speak briefly on what you were talking about today and my mission now in Fly Fishing Saves Lives. I never want to get political, but the root cause of so much of this is mental health. It truly is. It truly is people's mental health because, whether they had a weapon or not, somewhere inside their mind at some point they thought to themselves. This makes sense to me. This is the right thing to do In my case, with Project Healing Waters and helping them 22 veterans a day at some point the right thing to do is to take my own life because there's no other out.

Speaker 4: 16:26

And that is not a gun control thing, right. Nor was the shootings, nor was this assassination. This is a mental health crisis and part of my goal is to help address that at the root cause, because I can't swear to it, but I do believe that quite possibly people who are suffering from that, even if guns were entirely illegal would find a way to do harm maybe not with a gun, but to do harm to themselves or others and we have to have compassion for those people, because we all go through stuff, right. That's why we're here reignite resilience. What have you gone through?

Speaker 4: 17:10

It's never about the thing, it's always what happens after the thing and how did you react to it and how did you deal with it. What kind of support system did you have? What kind of resources did you have? There is a lot of resources, but there's a lot of marginalized communities that don't have access to those resources, and that's part of my mission lately with Fly Fishing Saves Lives and being, as you mentioned, a certified guide. Lately, with Fly Fishing Saves Lives and being, as you mentioned, a certified guide, I had my first paying client this year. In however, many years I've been doing this many, many years, because I normally don't charge I've taken a lot of cancer survivors, a lot of veterans, a lot of people with different disabilities out on the water.

Speaker 2: 17:57

I typically don't ask for payment. So Well, I think, as you build out or you share with us, like how you've built out, Fly Fishing Saves Lives. I think it's important for us to take it back like your introduction to fly fishing and when that became part of your life and it became a normal part of your life. Because when you talk about that Friday, like the Friday, like you get the call, what are you going to do? I know what your answer would probably be today Not probably, it is the answer always but how do you get to that point where you realize that it's not simply just the sport of fly fishing but all of the additional benefits? So kind of talk to us about your journey through fly fishing and how it was introduced and all of that.

Speaker 4: 18:34

Thank you. Thank you for bringing that up. I was introduced to the sport of fly fishing from my grandfather and when you're younger and your patience might not be, Developed, yet Might still be the same today.

Speaker 4: 18:48

Honestly, but when your patience is a little less than it's easier to go back to what you know, which at the time for me was more traditional gear and bait fishing, and you know I'm here to catch fish. But then over time I continued to learn about the sport and go with my grandfather and now, as you pointed out, I began to appreciate all aspects of it and so I try and share with people. You know it's a lot like life and the universe and how you look at things and the positive outlook. I don't think you're going to meet a fly fisherman who doesn't have hope, because every day might be your best day on the water and you go and so much of it is the preparation. And I say fly fisher man, fly fisher person Women are the fastest growing segment of the sport. You enjoy the preparation, you enjoy getting your gear ready, you enjoy the drive, most people. You enjoy the outdoors. Once you're there, the serenity you get into the water. Everything in my world, everything is energy. The water has its own energy. It can touch you and move you and then you're immersed in here in this moment, in the now. And, pam, I know you did a silent retreat. There's silence but there's the sounds of nature, right the water and the wind and maybe the birds. And even if you're with friends, many times you can't fish the same section. Or if you do, you're watching, but you present this offering to the fish watching. But you present this offering to the fish, just like you present your gifts to the world. And you don't know what's going to happen in fly fishing. You don't know. You put it out there and you're like, oh my gosh, are they going to take it? Are they not going to take it? That was such a great cast. I'm so excited and you don't actually know. And then maybe they do, and then you lose the fish, but you're right back at it and you don't actually know. And then maybe they do, and then you lose the fish and but you, you're like, you're right back at it and you don't quit most people. You're like, okay, I didn't catch one, but I'm so excited to be here, I just want to try again and again, and that's part of the therapeutic nature of it and and the presence of being right there. In that moment, you can't really be anywhere else. There's a meme about that. When you're out there and you're fishing In fly fishing, we have indicators.

Speaker 4: 21:21

They're kind of like a bobber and you're like, oh, okay, stare at the indicator, stare at the indicator. Stare at the indicator. And you're like, oh, an eagle, bobber down, damn it. Oh, okay, okay, damn it. Okay, okay, stare at the indicator, stare at the indicator, stare at the indicator. Should I have a sip of beer? Oh, bobber down. Oh, they know right, totally. So.

Speaker 4: 21:43

My journey into fly fishing at first was one of learning patience, and now it's. And then you start to want to go because you want to catch fish, you want to be with your friends and you want to have this experience. And then it evolved, natalie, into the whole experience. And now I equivocally enjoy seeing other people go out and taking them, especially first-timers, and watching the wonder and the mystery and and watching it unfold for them, because you get to experience it through through their eyes, right, and sometimes it all clicks.

Speaker 4: 22:21

We all know a gentleman named john simmons. He took me on a bucket list item belongs peak but I took him fly fishing for his first time in steamboat and we had one of those days where we caught, we did, we caught every fish in the river. We caught so many fish and I tried to tell them. It's not like this. I mean, it's like this today, yeah, but this is a day that's going to go down in history, even for me. So, and now he fly fishes actually quite a bit, which I love, love seeing, but the wonder and the magic that happens out there is so phenomenal.

Speaker 4: 22:57

And so my journey it's been and it's evolved even more thanks to people like Natalie. Really quick story I was out with a friend, a good friend that I fly fish with all over the United States, and we were on a piece of water that you don't get to fish very often it's only about three weeks out of the year and you got to have an expert oarsman to help you or know how to do it yourself, which you would only know if you did it a hundred times. And anyhow, we were out on the water and on the phone and she hears him cussing at the fish right and, and he is not happy and there's some expletives and fishermen know what they are fisher people it's like a common catchphrase it's a common catchphrase.

Speaker 4: 24:41

I'm not going to say the actual word, but it's f these fish, yes, which?

Speaker 4: 24:45

is also a term of endearment for the fish that are harder to catch and and you're like get those fish, but tomorrow I'm going to go back and try again, but still, and she said joyful energy, don't cuss at them, don't call them names, have joyful energy. And it was on speakerphone and the guide heard it, mark heard it, I heard it. And ever since then and it's been three years maybe joyful energy you put joyful energy into the water, into the fishing, and it comes back to you. Yeah, even if you don't catch fish, this joyful energy comes back and, uh, and it's beautiful, it's beautiful it changes the entire temperament of the experience.

Speaker 2: 25:31

Right, that's. Even pam got to hear our fishing adventure, our first fishing adventure at you as a guide and me as being the fly fisher woman that you were taking out, and we can share that with our listeners as well. But even in scenarios like that, like it's, we can choose to be upset or, you know, be angry or what have you, or just like well, that's one for the books. That's never happened before. I'd knock on wood that it doesn't ever happen again. Why don't we share that story? Your first trip out as a true official guide, I didn't pay. I think this was part of your coursework, so I didn't pay.

Speaker 4: 26:10

My guide friends around the world. I apologize in advance. Those of you who know me know that I used to joke and say it's always the guide's fault. It's always the guide's fault. You don't catch fish guide's fault, tornado guide's fault. Weather sucks, wind comes, rain guide's fault. That's on you. You fall in the river. That's still the guide's fault Until you become a guide. And then our first foray out out. We got caught in a massive, massive hailstorm for over an hour probably golf ball size hail. Marvel, the golf ball size hail ended up in a duck line with 10 other people and the hail's coming down and people are shivering and there's just doesn't seem to be an end in sight. And Natalie looks at me and she goes. So is this the guy's fault? Is this your fault? I'm like yep, yep, there is. We're all huddled in this duck, blind on private ranch that we're not supposed to be in, trying not to get hit by lightning and hail. And that's definitely my fault.

Speaker 2: 27:12

That's totally the experience, because here I am and I have to say that you did set me up for success, all of the things that were important to me. We're going to have snacks. I had a very cute outfit. Yes, it was a lovely time of day, right Like the drive was beautiful. I was like sold, I'm in, let's do it. And we see the clouds coming in. I also learned that you're not supposed to talk about rain or wind or anything when you're out on the water, and so we see the clouds come in.

Speaker 2: 27:38

And some of the folks that were on the river that day, they were like we're going to outrun it. And that was like my sign. That was like red flag number one. I was like you're going to outrun what? Like? What are we? What are we outrunning? And so we didn't. We did not outrun it. We're like we're just going to continue to go down the river, it'll be fine. And then the skies opened with hail and and baron, you're exactly right like I'm looking at the sign that's clearly posted private property, but it's a nice duck blind that looks like it's safer than getting a concussion from hail on a river. So the other turns out later.

Speaker 4: 28:12

The other guy said they they ended up flipping over their boats and hiding under their boats better.

Speaker 2: 28:18

Yes, yeah, but the deadline was it right, so the dust line was in trouble.

Speaker 4: 28:24

Typical fashion, for me, at least, there's no accents in the universe as these people were filing in. Sure enough, here comes a friend of mine, you know mike, who's been on the one. He's like hey, bear I'm like, hey, how you doing, come on in, let's go. Yeah, no problem, and we're in. You know, mike, who's been on the one, he's like, hey, bear, I'm like, hey, how you doing, come on in, let's go. Yeah, no problem, and we're in.

Speaker 4: 28:39

You know nowhere, wyoming just ran into the property and the other day I was up at some some secret spot and ran into my 89 year old cousin out on the water. Just come back from the honor flight for veterans, yeah, so.

Speaker 3: 28:55

I love this story because, you know, I think so often people are focused on the outcome, like I'm going to catch a fish that they miss everything that's leading up to it. You know, like you said, the beauty of every preparing for it, the drive, just all of that stuff, because a lot of times I know Natalie and I have traveled together. Some of my best memories were when we're like the curveballs?

Speaker 2: 29:20

yeah, exactly, it's like when do we get the curveball? And then that's what makes it ridiculous.

Speaker 3: 29:25

That's what we remember, not like the amazing castle we went through or whatever. No, it's the car rolling down the hill because somebody forgot to put the brake on the trip.

Speaker 4: 29:34

Trip in Morocco. Yeah, after that, the sun came out, rainbows came out. We had a beautiful boat ride. Later that day, miss Natalie's in a hammock by the river reading a book, you know, and I'm still in the water.

Speaker 2: 29:49

Of course I'd had enough. I was like does that fulfill the requirements for the course? Yes, done, I'm done, I'll be in the hammock. Does that fulfill?

Speaker 3: 29:54

the requirements for the course.

Speaker 2: 29:54

Yes, done, I'm done, I'll be in the hammer.

Speaker 4: 29:59

What you said lately this has been on my heart a lot is, you know, it isn't about the destination, it is about the journey. Kurt Dieter was just on, who you don't know, but he runs FlyLab and Ingrid Trade Media and he was talking about don't be a fish counter. He said he was in a shop and the guy was like, hey, my sons are going with their pain, they want to catch a lot of fish, make sure they catch them. And he was like you know, maybe we'll see a bald eagle, maybe we'll see a moose and hopefully we catch some fish. But if they don't enjoy the rest of that, then maybe fly fishing isn't for them and that's okay.

Speaker 4: 30:35

But it's not the light at the end of the tunnel. That's the illusion. Right, it's the tunnel, that's the illusion, and the light actually comes from you. It comes from you. That shining light is how you show up, what intention you show up with. I know some fishy dudes, fishy women, who show up with the best attitude and the wrong flies, flies that they tied, that shouldn't catch fish, they really shouldn't. But they have this shining light and this intention and they're here to enjoy it and they tend to catch more fish than everybody else, of course, and they show up with that, and it's just a completely different experience, because it it is about the experience. I've been out like. I've rescued a baby goat back to a rancher, I got to literally almost pet a baby, a newborn baby, baby elk. I've run into moose All of these things that have nothing to do with catching fish, but everything to do with the experience itself. Right yeah.

Speaker 3: 31:48

Well, what's funny, everything that you've been talking, not once have you talked about the fish that you caught.

Speaker 4: 31:54

Yeah, no. And you know, what's interesting is the ones that you catch, like when you were saying when you're traveling, it's the crazy stuff that happens, the memories. And I can promise you, for most fishermen, however they fish, it's not the ones they caught that they remember the most. It's the one that got away, it's the one that they lost, or the one that they almost caught, or the one that had this terrific eat and miss the fly, but you got to see it and it was just so. It just. It burns in your memory right and you talk about it for years to come.

Speaker 1: 32:30

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