Naked Truths + Resiliency with Tash Doherty (Part 2)

What happens when we finally give ourselves permission to explore the parts of ourselves we've been taught to hide? This episode takes us on a journey through vulnerability, creative expression, and the liberation that comes from embracing our full selves.

Our guest shares her path from writing teen romance fiction to creating educational content about sexuality. Her novel "These Perfectly Careless Things" follows a 15-year-old artist in London, capturing intimate feminine experiences often absent from literature. Meanwhile, her "Miseducated" podcast and blog have evolved from sharing birth control stories to interviewing femtech innovators solving problems around menopause, breast pumps, and sexual wellness.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn as she recounts hosting a naked party during university years—a surprisingly wholesome experience where friends painted landscapes on each other's bodies. 

Most compelling is her mission "to help the world be shamelessly sexy" through three components: helping people identify what they want sexually, believe they deserve it, and learn to ask for it. Her upcoming projects—a sex journaling toolkit, anonymous surveys about sexual practices, and consulting work—all connect to this core purpose.

Despite her prestigious Wharton education that could have led to a lucrative corporate career, she chose a path that feels alive and meaningful. "Don't go to your grave with your stories inside of you," she advises listeners. This episode invites us all to consider what parts of ourselves we might be suppressing, and what could happen if we brought our full, authentic selves into every aspect of our lives.

About Tash Doherty

I'm the author of a spicy, coming-of-age novel, These Perfectly Careless Things, and the Substack, Misseducated, where I'm on a mission to help the world be shamelessly sexy.
natashardoherty@gmail.com 

https://misseducated.substack.com/

These Perfectly Careless Things Book
 

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Content Warning
• 0:36 Meet Your Hosts and Guest
• 1:12 Discussing "These Perfectly Careless Things"
• 4:04 Miseducated Podcast and Blog
• 7:10 Creating Shameless Sexuality Resources
• 12:44 Hosting Naked Parties and Body Positivity
• 24:04 Future Projects and Personal Mission
• 30:14 Final Thoughts and Closing

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Before we begin today's episode, we just wanna take a few moments to advise you that today's episode does discuss sensitive topics and listener discretion is advised. If at any point, you need to pause or step away, please prioritize your wellbeing. Today we're exploring these complex themes with care and respect because we understand that having an open and informed conversation can foster healing and understanding. Our goal is to create a safe space for dialogue free from judgment. We hope you enjoy.

Speaker 2: 0:36

All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within. But how do we spark that flame? And need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within, but how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm. And now here are your hosts, Natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.

Speaker 1: 1:12

Talk to us about the book, because you've gone through the work and these perfectly careless things, Congratulations by the way, yes. Talk to us a little bit about the novel.

Speaker 4: 1:23

Yeah, yes. Well, the novel is set in London, as I was telling you earlier, and it follows the story of Abby Chesterton. That she's 15 years old and she wants to become an artist, but she's from a very like stuffy and stuck-up English family. So basically she's also part of this very cool, the cool crowd you know in these teenagers in London and she goes to a house party and she meets a very like kind of enigmatic and like philosophical guy called Jonah Wood, and Jonah is the person who inspires her to pursue her creative goals. She applies to transfer to his school because you know he's got a very good art program at his school. So basically it's their love story going around London and all of that.

Speaker 4: 2:05

You get to see all the ways that she develops as a character in terms of her artistic ability, but also you're with her in her most intimate moments. So again, I have not shied away from any of the female experience in this book, so you will get. You know periods and first time and you know all those kinds of really, really intimate moments and also taking a pregnancy test in the starbucks bathroom. So you get to see this character through all her most intimate aspects of her life and, yeah, you have to keep reading towards the end to see what happens with their relationship. Do they end up together or does she? Do they go separate ways?

Speaker 1: 2:38

so, yes, love that is this part one of part two or a trilogy, or are there more Well?

Speaker 4: 2:45

I'm now also working on a second book. It is a summer love story set in California, and I have gone back and forth about whether this is part of the series or what, but I've settled on the fact that the characters are actually going to be connected. So the same exact set of characters, but one of Abby's friends will be the main character of the second novel. So you kind of have a bit of a sense of continuity for the people who know. But then the people who don't know can just pick up the second novel and read it as a standalone as well.

Speaker 4: 3:13

So it's beautiful and it's centered on the going to this lake in California, you know where there's no internet and you're just. It's just beautiful pine trees etc. So it's focused on their love story. And then they have this beautiful whirlwind romance for the first half of the book and then in the second half of the book you get to see whether, five years later, if a summer romance can still last, and basically I try to answer the question is love enough? So that's book number two congratulations.

Speaker 4: 3:43

I see like mini series movies yeah, it's honestly really fun and I I write like a lot of other non-fiction posts on my blog around sexuality or my life or whatever, but writing this kind of fiction is just like it's beautiful and it's easy for me and I really enjoy doing it.

Speaker 3: 3:59

So, yeah, so this was what you were writing when you were 14, so stories like this, yes, well, the, that was the main, the main book that's already been published at this point.

Speaker 4: 4:04

So so this was what you were writing when you were 14. So stories like this yes, well, that was the main book that's already been published at this point. So now I but I've now been harboring these new ideas for books for a couple of years, and then, by the time you've had a book idea for three years, you just think, gosh, better sit down and write the thing.

Speaker 1: 4:20

It's time to go. Yeah, do you know, by chance, how many books are within?

Speaker 4: 4:29

you have, you done that work, oh my god.

Speaker 4: 4:29

Well, I know at least like three more okay kind of challenging, because then you're like it's, it takes a lot of time and effort to write a book, whereas I could pump out an article, you know, in five hours and it's on the internet. People could read it and engage with it. So it's not just you know, it's a real like labor of love, I think. But I'm hoping to get it done, hopefully sometime this year, but we'll see. We'll see when it comes out, so yeah, Love that.

Speaker 3: 4:53

Tell us a little bit about your podcast.

Speaker 4: 4:56

Yeah, so the podcast is called Miseducated and it's also the blog, so I write on that every week and these days I'm doing like voiceovers as well. So a lot of the podcast episodes are like you can just listen along to an article that I've written. But it started out about six, seven years ago and I started with birth control stories. So I shared my own birth control story and how I found like the hormonal IUD, which is the one that works for me, and I interviewed a lot of different women and then, as I developed that brand, I wanted to interviewed a lot of different women and then, as I developed that brand, I wanted to interview a lot of women who were in femtech, so like women's health tech companies. So you know, they're solving problems around like menopause or, like you know, breast pumps or whatever it is, or like sexual wellness toys.

Speaker 4: 5:37

So I continue to build those stories and now it's basically anyone who kind of like catches my eye who I want to like really get to know. My favorite person ever that I interviewed was Dr Kristen Neff, who is the world leading expert on self-compassion, based out of UT Austin. So she's she's like a big dog, you know, in the world. So I was really grateful to interview her like about a year and a half ago now. But yeah, I basically just mostly focus on the audio aspect of my articles so people can engage by listening. You know, with audio rather than reading if they prefer to listen instead of read.

Speaker 1: 6:11

So there you go beautiful and that's what you bring over to your sub stack. Is that correct? Like that's where you house everything. Okay, it's all there.

Speaker 4: 6:18

Yes, and the mission these days I updated the mission recently is to help the world be shamelessly sexy. So I focus a lot on helping people figure out what they want in terms of their sexuality, like what, what they, you know, desire, believing that they deserve what they want, and then also asking for what they want. So those are the three components of what a shamelessly sexy life includes. So I'm currently building those teaching methodologies and my last piece that I just wrote last week was called how to keep a sex journal. So it's specifically focusing on journaling about you know, reflecting on all of your previous like intimate experiences and what you learned from them both what you liked and what you didn't like and I'm hoping that that's a whole product line that I will be able to like, also sell and launch at that at some point, so people can buy my like miseducated sex journal.

Speaker 3: 7:05

I love that because I think it's one of those things that it's been so taboo, especially in the United States, to talk about that and it's just kind of one of those things it's like, well, we just don't talk about that. So I love the idea of journaling about. You know, what do I like, what do I not like? Because if you can share that with somebody you're intimate with, it's going to be such a better experience for everybody.

Speaker 4: 7:25

Yeah, totally, not just with your partner, but also for yourself, for yourself, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 7:31

And what's so interesting about it is I love writing, right, so it's a treat for me to be able to teach other people some of the beauty of writing, but it's such a personal and private thing to do.

Speaker 4: 7:39

But my favorite aspect of like exploring my sexuality, though, is the idea that a lot of sexuality is kind of your inverted self, you know. So I'm a very like independent, like you know, feminist out there, woman, blah, blah, blah, but then in the bedroom, I'm like preferring to be like a sub, you know, or like lose control, or like have someone tell me what to do. So it's like, and then I'm like, how can I even call myself a feminist if, like, this is who I am in the bedroom and this is who I am? It in contrast with my real life, you know. So I basically just hope to provide the tools that help people feel more comfortable with those different aspects of our like more deviant natures, you know. But I think it's a really beautiful topic and just something that I'm really excited to share with the world. So I want to continue to build that whole sex journaling tool set for people. Awesome, love that.

Speaker 1: 8:25

How did you find yourself on this path? Because I guess growing up in London not so much, but you think, if I think like growing up in England very conservative, very reserved, not a lot of room for expression, london may be the one city in the UK that's kind of like OK, except here. How did you find yourself on this journey?

Speaker 4: 8:50

how did you find yourself on this journey? Yeah, well, I think moving to America was a really big part of it, actually, because Americans are so much louder and take up space and they eat triple cheese hamburgers and you know, moving to America really helped me to embrace those parts of myself that had been kind of like suppressed in English culture. But you make a really good point because you know, I have all these. Having all these these thoughts, I felt really alone as well during a lot of my experiences, like getting birth control for the first time, and I just thought, god, I don't know if I want to live in a culture where I can't talk about these things. And I think things have evolved a little bit. Like talking about periods is much more common these days, but there's still a lot of like taboos around these issues.

Speaker 1: 9:27

Barely Kind of. I mean that's stretched in some spaces, but yes, we are making progress there.

Speaker 3: 9:32

Yes, a little bit, a little bit.

Speaker 4: 9:34

I think honestly it's about also kind of giving the finger to the system in a weird way, Because ultimately I think women especially in my family, you know, as of three generations ago didn't go to university or maybe never had the ability to say the things that you know they wanted to say. So I feel a lot of like I guess I don't know honor and privilege to be able to, number one, have the education that I have and, again, the access to resources where I can fund my own lifestyle you know, doing consulting projects for remote companies or whatever but then use my voice to, I don't know help other women feel more seen or explore parts of themselves that are like more fun anyway.

Speaker 1: 10:13

I love that. I love that. Well, that's as you talk about, like three generations. That's such an. Again it pulls up for me my mom not with us currently and she's passed, but I just remember when I was a young girl very reserved household, very strong religious upbringing and I remember her like it was not allowed to wear red nail polish or red lipstick. Okay, so we're let's take it very basic, because those were the things that only a Jezebel would wear.

Speaker 1: 10:42

And those were the exact words, and so here I am like 10 years old and I'm like I can't wear red nail polish because I'm not a Jezebel Like who says that Wow. So like when you would like creating this space, as you talk about, like where we can just freely discuss the things that we naturally go through and experience and want to experience in life?

Speaker 4: 11:06

Yeah, and I'm writing about that, for example, I think, reflecting on, like the red lipstick and red nail polish situation so interesting, right, like there's a lot that you could explore there for yourself. Just be like, hey, what do I actually think about this Do now, when I see, you know, michelle Obama wearing like red nail polish, am I judging the heck out of her or not? Like it's kind of interesting. I think, in that sense, to to be able to explore those topics. But yeah, I mean, my mom hasn't read my book and I don't know if she ever will. But my grandma is actually really, really open-minded and I talk to my grandma about these things all the time. So that's great because she's like 87 and again, you know who, not who knows how much longer she'll be around, as much as I love her. So I do really enjoy talking about these topics with my grandma a lot yeah, well, and I love that you I mean like menopause.

Speaker 3: 11:51

I mean just just now they're starting to talk more about it. It's just been like one of those things that you just don't talk about, that. And I was at dinner with two of my girlfriends and that's what we talked about the whole day. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm in that space in my life where this is what we talk about.

Speaker 2: 12:07

You know, we're not talking. Not talking about boys anymore.

Speaker 3: 12:09

We're talking about menopause and like, oh yeah, you got to use this cream and here I'll give you this lady's name. And I was like, oh, this is hilarious.

Speaker 4: 12:16

Yeah, and I think, amongst female friends, like, we're definitely able to have more of those conversations now, which is super important.

Speaker 4: 12:24

And yeah, I think, basically I don't expect everyone to be able to like write openly about their sex life on the Internet like I have, but what I'm going to hopefully do as well is have more like anonymous surveys and polls and stuff that people can contribute to so you can still say like, oh, these are my experiences, like I masturbate like three times a week or whatever.

Speaker 4: 12:42

But then you can see over the hundred people or whatever that we surveyed, like what everyone else is doing with their masturbation techniques, that we surveyed, like what everyone else is doing with their masturbation techniques. So that's a whole report that I'm going to start, you know, hopefully at some point later this year. So I'm excited to kind of figure out because that's also bringing in my data mind and my Wharton background, analyzing stuff from a statistical perspective and making it fun with like emojis and stuff like I already have idea and for the graphs and things that I want to create. So I'm just trying to, you know, continue the projects that I'm excited about. It's going to be, hopefully, a good year, yeah and make it more acceptable to talk about.

Speaker 3: 13:16

Right, you know, I mean it's we've been. America is very prude, like we are very like we just don't talk about it, and I think that's what's unique about Europe is it's way more open over there than it is here. So I love that you're bringing it.

Speaker 4: 14:26

Well, hopefully people will be more likely to share like a statistic at dinner, you know they can be like. Oh yeah, you know 50% of women are really like this thing in the bedroom. Don't know where that came from. I'll keep programmed, you know. I think that makes things more approachable too. Oh, I think that's more approachable too.

Speaker 3: 14:45

Oh, I think that's like you just slip a note to the guy you're dating, just so you know 85% of women like this in the bedroom. I'm just saying, it's just statistics.

Speaker 1: 14:55

Statistically speaking, you should probably. Statistically speaking, maybe we should explore that a little bit. I love that there was a sub stack that you shared that I'm intrigued on and I just, I'm just curious and I would love to have you share it with our listeners. I think recently I don't know the timeframe you hosted a nude party or a naked party.

Speaker 4: 15:18

Yes, this is my most, one of my most popular articles. So this was actually in university, in college, and I had heard this was. I hosted it in like 2016, 2017, I think. So it's been a while now. But I had heard that the kids above me, you know, in older grades, were the craziest, wildest college people ever. And I just thought, well, you know, we're still crazy today.

Speaker 4: 15:39

We should do something crazy, so we, so I decided to host the naked party with my housemate at the time, and world of word obviously like spread around the campus, like very yeah, I don't know why I will say it's called how to host the naked body, but in that article I go through a couple of different like clothing optional experiences that I've had and one of them is called the naked bike ride in Philadelphia which happens every September.

Speaker 4: 16:05

Highly recommend because you go on this beautiful tour of all these historic sites in Philadelphia and it's clothing optional so you see people's bodies, all shapes, sizes, backgrounds, whatever you know like. It's really a self accepting kind of really I feel like empowering experience and I remember specifically when I hosted this naked party at my house that basically the first people to arrive were like a couple of my other female friends and we had body paint so we were painting like rivers and like mountains all over each other and it was like so wholesome. Yeah, one of the main tips that I have is that a lot of these kind of like know play party spaces or whatever are often founded by men and a lot, unless you have like a critical mass of females- you're never going to feel comfortable as a female in one of those spaces, you know.

Speaker 4: 16:55

So I think that it was like me and my housemate hosting it at the time. It went really well. I had a really fun time and obviously I had to be butt naked because, like as the host, I couldn't be you know, can't be fully clothed yeah it was.

Speaker 4: 17:09

It was really beautiful, though, and I will just add like one detail that is really funny is that humans are we're so good at mirroring other people, right? So if you walk into a room and there's a hundred naked people and you're the only one wearing clothes, you just will immediately feel so uncomfortable that you'll just like you don't want to be, right, the odd person in a huge group of people. So, again, you reach that critical mass of naked people ideally with a lot of females in there as well and then, as a new person joins, they're going to feel like oh my God, I need to take off my clothes immediately, because otherwise I'm going to be the odd man out.

Speaker 1: 17:44

Yeah, I love that, and your guests? I'm assuming that they had a great experience as well. I hope so, yeah.

Speaker 4: 17:51

I should ask my friend yeah, you know, it's like it was a really fun thing to be able to do, but I just been painting the mountains and the like.

Speaker 1: 18:00

The whole female experience part at the beginning was just like, wow, we're doing something cooler than I had expected at the time absolutely well, I've always been intrigued by like body painting parties or in places where you do body paint, or festivals I guess there's a lot of festivals where you do just body paint only. So, bringing that into your own part it's, and you're creating a safe space. Right, it's bringing like-minded individuals together in a safe space. Nothing sexual that's taking place, right, it's just truly come, gathering of friends and like-minded individuals to just enjoy one another and enjoy one another's company, just yeah. Closing optional.

Speaker 4: 18:40

I haven't written about this yet, but I accidentally just took part in a massive nude photo shoot, which is an accident. So my friends in Mexico City are incredible artists, musicians and everything, and my friend Gigi invited me to this incredible old school like kind of a conference-y. It's basically an abandoned house that they've turned into like an art exhibition space, and so when I got all the way there, they like made us, they put us in this room and they were like okay, you're going to light this person this way. And then they're like okay, like, go take off your clothes. And I was like what? I didn't realize this.

Speaker 3: 19:14

We didn't mention this.

Speaker 4: 19:17

Yes, but the photographer is called Rob Woodcocks and he specifically focuses on beautiful, like you know, dancers and ballet dancers. But everyone's like wearing nude tones or they're just full on butt naked, and so, yes, I hope to share some of those images eventually, because it's really really beautiful and we had all different kinds of women it was only women in those events, but this is one but eventually, later in the day, I would lay upside down on the staircase like butt naked again for like a good half an hour and I was so uncomfortable the whole time.

Speaker 1: 19:45

But those images totally worth it like yes, yes, because you have to hold it until we capture the shot, so don't move yes, anyway, shout out to Rob Woodcocks and all my amazing creative designer musicians, office friends in Mexico City. I'm super grateful to have my community here yeah, what a great experience to just happen oh my gosh like that was not something that you planned yeah, and I'm planning on like buying.

Speaker 4: 20:10

There's a bunch of them that I'm in, like I know which ones of the images that I'm in, so I'm planning on getting like full blown up print versions of them and like framing them in my house, in your house, yeah, but I already have a lot of art on my wall, so I don't know where, I don't know you'll find a space.

Speaker 3: 20:24

I was gonna say make room. These are what. This is one of the things that you make room right, because it becomes a conversation piece for visitors that come over as well.

Speaker 1: 20:32

Yeah, good for you. I love that. I love that well for our guests that are interested in that space, because that's I mean you happen upon it, you obviously are comfortable in that space. But talk to us a little bit about, like, the environment, the conversation, kind of the emotions for folks when entering into a space like that, because I think that's a, I think it's a big task just for the lifestyle that many of us have grown up with, if we've not been exposed to that.

Speaker 4: 20:59

Yeah, totally. I think, again, it depends on who is hosting these things. So I've also gone to more play parties, sex parties in New York through a group called NSFW, which again I think is a really amazing space where you can explore with your partner and everything. But sometimes even in those rooms, right, it's like, unless you get that critical mass of females, as a female, I'm not going to feel comfortable in that experience. So it's really important to just continue to go back to that and make sure that you're it's being hosted by people that you trust and, again, you don't have to do anything that you don't want to do. But I also find, like you know, kind of like festivals, some like there's some, you know, folk festivals that I've been to in the woods, you know you can find pockets of these more like hippie people when you want to. And I even um in northern California in like the Russian River I think I went camping with my friends there and like people there are, just, like you know, out and about with no clothes on no big deal. Also, climate is a consideration, I would definitely say so like make sure you're in somewhere that's warm, somewhere that's nice.

Speaker 4: 21:58

And another really beautiful documentary which I think. I think it's called like stone what are they called? Smoke Sauna, sisterhood Really really beautiful. Documentary about women in estonia who, again, clothing optional or like no clothes in saunas is a really big thing, um, in scandinavia. But I really really recommend those kinds of like really beautiful experiences with other women. And, yeah, saunas, I think, are another area which I really really enjoy, just because of the physicality of it and I feel, I don't know, you just feel really rejuvenated afterwards. So, yeah, maybe try and find your local sauna where there's like clothing optional or women's only days as well. Banyas, those kinds of things I'm a big fan of, like bathing in a variety of different ways and environments yeah, kind of go from there. So, yeah, but just stay safe and only be with people that you want to be with. I would say, yeah, beautiful.

Speaker 1: 22:50

Well, I love that you continue to bring these experiences to either your blogs or the podcast, and maybe books in the future. So that's exciting. Yes, and any other how-tos that you're going to share on your Substack as well. We'll make sure that we tag your sub stack for our listeners to go over and subscribe to, or just peruse and read and learn what you have going on. Yeah, yeah, sure, thank you guys.

Speaker 4: 23:13

I love that.

Speaker 1: 23:14

Absolutely so. We've talked about the miseducated journal. That's on the horizon, something that you'd like to have done. We've talked about book two. That's in the works. No pressure when it's done, in terms of where you're going and what you'd like to see for yourself moving forward. Talk to us a little bit about that. What's next?

Speaker 4: 23:30

Oh, my goodness, I mean, in addition to also the sex reports, that I want to put together the anonymized-.

Speaker 1: 23:34

That's right, I forgot about the data. How did I forget about the data?

Speaker 4: 23:38

Yeah, I mean back in any of these projects. I think it's good and know as an entrepreneurial person I try to just host a bunch of experiments, right. So again with your listeners and their lives, it's like, okay, maybe not every single one of your hobbies or interests is going to turn into a fully-fledged business, but that's what I'm. That's where I'm hoping to start at least adding the sex report in there as well. And another thing that I'm working on is basically helping women with self-promotion and that shamelessness aspect as well. So that's where maybe a business or consulting arm can kind of come into it, because I can say, hey, like you guys have expertise in XYZ, I've got my data skills, I've got my storytelling skills, I built this newsletter. So let's package and put together all your expertise so that you can present your best self on the internet and get over that like fear around self-promotion, I think because a lot of women really struggle with that.

Speaker 4: 24:32

So, using that shamelessness piece, and also, I think what's funny is I was just talking about it yesterday with another girl who does like similar consulting work and she was saying, well, why don't you make sex writing part of your offering right for your corporate clients as well?

Speaker 4: 24:42

And I was just thinking that could be such an interesting aspect. So, while I'm helping package all of your you know, your businesses and your expertise, like having that sense of shamelessly well, the shamelessly sexy aspect of it should also be included as a component, as one of my offerings for my business clients. So I would love to see, in you know, two, three years time, I would love to see plenty of like amazing you know, small business female clients or other like women in corporate tech, whatever, who want a little bit of spice to their personal brand to be working with me, and then maybe my couple of books published and then that annual like sex report that's coming out. So there's lots of exciting things on the horizon. Yeah, and thank you for allowing me the space to like speak them into existence as well, because it does help when people ask you hey, what do you wish you?

Speaker 4: 25:29

were doing in three years time and I'd be like I wish I had plenty of money and I was just, you know, adding all these uh clients to my roster.

Speaker 3: 25:36

So yeah, we'll have to have you back in three years exactly, accomplished all of this, and I hope so I know, I would love to celebrate that with them.

Speaker 1: 25:47

Yes, yes, and I have to agree with your friend that you met with yesterday. I'm just in terms of the sexuality piece of the work, bringing that into your female corporate clients, because I think we all know like sexuality, sensuality, especially for women, in that corporate space is suppressed tremendously because there's quote unquote not a space for that, or not allowed, or it's frowned upon or whatever the judgment ie introduce, the shame that comes along with that, and so we have these mediocre version of women that are showing up to fit into a box and suppressing a huge segment of who we are.

Speaker 4: 26:24

Yeah, who we are exactly. And I think that's where the shamelessness aspect of it comes in, because you don't have to be like telling our bosses or co-workers or whatever, like this is how I masturbate, Like that's what we're talking about here.

Speaker 4: 26:35

It's about bringing your full self and women. We experience shame on so many different aspects of our lives. It could be like our hair know what we wear, how sporty we are if we're like attractive enough, blah, blah, blah. And so I think addressing that specific some of the shame, right like not taking all your shame away, but just just working on a little bit of it, I think it'd be so transformative and that could really help as well for that like business success, which is what we're going for.

Speaker 1: 27:02

So, yeah, I love it that's exciting all of the projects. I think that they are phenomenal. I already see it in existence, so I am excited to celebrate it for you and with you.

Speaker 4: 27:15

This is great yeah, this is fun. Yeah, thanks for asking me incredible questions as well. I'm like yeah so much fun.

Speaker 1: 27:23

It has been a blast. Is there anything that we haven't touched on that you'd like to leave our listeners with today?

Speaker 4: 27:28

You know, I think we've talked about a lot and you've really given me amazing space and time to just again open up to some of my craziest experiences, my most whimsical experiences. But I think, yeah, my main message for everyone is just, if you have a calling or an inclination of like what you want to do, just don't go to your grave with your stories inside of you, you know, just go out there, do your thing and being happy, very important. You know, like I graduated from the Wharton School and I could be sitting in any office in San Francisco, chicago, new York, whatever, making 300k at some private equity company and I could be effing, miserable, miserable. Or I could be writing teen romance fiction and exploring like the beautiful stories that helped me feel alive, right, and so, yes, you are the light, the lights of the world, as Rumi said. So I really appreciate you know. I really just really wish the best for everyone who's listening right now and all the career success for you in something that matters to you and makes you feel happy.

Speaker 3: 28:24

That's a beautiful thing to end on.

Speaker 1: 28:34

Love it, love it, thank you, thank you and thank you for being transparent and vulnerable and sharing your own personal experiences and your journey Right. I think a lot of people see the end result. They don't realize everything that has led up to this and you've had quite an impeccable journey.

Speaker 4: 28:45

The universe, let the universe know you're good, fulfilled we're gonna just keep moving on with what we have. Messages. Now I'm I've had my fill of input, thank you yes, exactly, we're good oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1: 29:00

Well, thank you, thank you. Thank you for sharing congratulations on the book. We will make sure that we tag the book, tag the podcast and the sub stack in the show notes so our listeners can check you out and get to know more about you. Thank you for the work that you're doing for our communities as well. Your impact is global, so really appreciate that. And and, of course, thank you for taking the time out to join us. Absolutely.

Speaker 4: 29:23

Thank you, Pamela and Natalie. You guys rock. I'm super excited and grateful to have been here today so fabulous wonderful for our listeners.

Speaker 1: 29:30

If you are interested in learning more about what's happening in the world of reignite resilience, head on over to reigniteresiliencecom or find us on facebook or instagram. And until next time, we will see you all soon thanks everyone.

Speaker 2: 29:41

Thank you for joining us today on the reigniteite Resilience podcast. We hope you had some aha moments and learned a few new real life ideas. To fuel the flames of passion, please subscribe on your favorite streaming platform, like or download your favorite episodes and, of course, share with your friends and family. We look forward to seeing you again next time on Reignite Resilience.