Strengthening Relationships Through Open Dialogue + Resiliency with Alain Dumonceaux (part 2)

What if standing up for your desires could transform your relationship? Alain Dumonceaux, the visionary behind the Awakened Man Movement, joins us to unpack this very question. We journey through personal stories and relatable scenarios, like Alain's simple wish for a smoker, to explore how unspoken issues can erode intimacy over time. Discover the power of addressing what truly matters and learn how to cultivate respect and deeper connections with your partner.

Relationships inherently involve navigating priorities and boundaries, and this episode shines a spotlight on the dynamics of decision-making and communication. From humorous mix-ups involving the word "Sunday" to heartfelt reflections on past interactions, we explore how shared values guide joint decisions, such as choosing experiences over material purchases. Alan sheds light on the importance of meaningful dialogue and accountability, urging us to move away from superficial exchanges and step into conversations that honor each other's perspectives and needs.

Our conversation with Alain isn't just about immediate solutions, but about fostering long-term growth. He introduces "Setting the Compass," a brilliant exercise available on his site, empowering individuals to reflect on personal growth and future aspirations. With wisdom drawn from reflection, imitation, and experience, Alain encourages us to seek mentorship and embrace discomfort as pathways to becoming our best selves. Join us as we fuel the flames of passion and resilience, inviting you to be part of a community ready to tackle life's challenges with renewed vigor.

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Chapters

• 0:06 Reignite Resilience
• 3:16 Navigating Priorities and Boundaries
• 7:19 Navigating Relationship Needs
• 14:45 Navigating Masculinity and Relationships
• 26:29 Wisdom and Reflection for Personal Growth
• 30:45 Fueling Passion Through Real Life Ideas

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:06

All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. Resilience where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm. And now here are your hosts, natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.

natalie davis: 0:42

Welcome back to part two of our two-part conversation with Alan DuMonceau, the founder of the Awakened man Movement. We're going to dive back in and listen to Alan as he shares his work in finding that rhythm and dance to be the compassionate, awakened man in his personal, intimate relationships, and what you can do to show up and be present in all areas of your life.

Alain Dumonceaux: 1:06

We hope you enjoy the key piece is yes, I do all this work with men. Having said that, it works for anyone who are struggling and I appreciate what you shared there, because what I used to say in my marriage, you know, before we went through our dark stage, is that you know I would be upset and something wouldn't be happening. You know, and I can remember a time when we used to sit down Saturday morning, thursday, in our, in our neighborhood, thursday, all the junk mail comes out. You know all the flyers and that Saturday morning, you know I'd go down to the local seven 11, get the newspaper, because it was the biggest paper to my father-in-law, would come by to read the paper, right, he'd always read the little bits and we'd always have the same joke Okay, dad, I looked, you're not in it. You know you don't have to look.

Alain Dumonceaux: 1:50

I knew he was looking for his buddies to see how many he had left, and we would sit there and I can remember I was coming in April my April is my birthday month and there was a smoker and I said, you know, I just said at the table, I would, you know, I think I would really like a smoker. And my wife, you know, said to me you don't need a smoker. Why do you need a smoker? You know, it really bothered me, but I didn't address it at the time. Instead, I said to myself what is this going to matter in a year from now if I have this argument with my wife? It's not going to matter.

Alain Dumonceaux: 2:25

That's a bad thing to do. Right, it does matter. Yeah, it does matter, because then it becomes a crutch. So what I found in my life I don't know for you, natalie, if you found the same I found that I would use that as a comment all the time Well, what is this going to matter in a year from now? Yes, well, guess what? It didn't really matter much in the year now until it did, yes, and really, what was matter? What was starting to matter was there was resentment from with me to her, and she was looking at me as I don't really respect this guy because he doesn't stand up for anything, because I'm trying to thinking that, well, if I'm just you're right here, whatever, just give that right, yes, yeah, Today, if I was to say you know, listen, and we do, we, you know I, by the way, I did buy that Okay good.

Alain Dumonceaux: 3:13

I'm buying it. You won't buy it for me. I called her a bad name and then I bought it. Yes, and, and, and I'm still, and I still have it. Now it's getting. You know, it's half a dozen years old or so and I use it fairly regular and it's almost time to get one and we chuckle over. You know I'm thinking about. I have to replace that smoker.

natalie davis: 3:33

What are you going to do with it?

Alain Dumonceaux: 3:36

She just gives me, she just gives me the look right. And I said I know, babe, there's lots more important things to get it. It works fine. It's just because of the work that we've done as a couple. She knows that was one of those catalyst moments for me where I wasn't disappointed in her. I'm the one who said that that was okay for her to do. Yeah, right, and how she said it and how she would act. That was me saying that's all right behavior. I didn't learn anything about boundaries and what that meant and how to do that work. So now that we're better at it we're nowhere amazing because we're not with it, but we are better at those boundaries.

Alain Dumonceaux: 4:15

So when I do say I'm thinking about buying something or doing something and I get that kind of response back, then I can say how did you come to that conclusion? Like what's in that for you? Like when you say that, what's going on for you? Because for most of the time when we get into conversation or a discussion like that, we're looking to defend our position. Right, I'm not interested in defending my position, I'm interested to understand and figure out what's going on for you with this. Like what's happening here and you know, most of the time it's going to be something to do with. Well, if we spend money on this because, let's face it, you're not buying a smoker for 200 bucks, or well, you can, but they're, they're junk, right, you're spending some and we've made a, we've made a conscious decision. Anything with a comma in it is a conversation. No one's going to go go out and spend thousand plus dollars on something. So let's you know, let's talk about that and truly, in the end, today it's, it's not as, it's not as important. We get to have that, that back and forth. So now I get to understand. Where is she coming from? What's the value statement that she's trying to tell me? As best I can get, you know my wife's name is Kimmy, to express that to me. So, kimmy, what is it about the expenditure or the smoker, something that she enjoys sometimes, but not very often, and we don't entertain like we used to.

Alain Dumonceaux: 5:39

Coming out of the pandemic, life changed for lots of us. It was pretty regularly, every week, other weekend or so, there would be half a dozen to 20 people at the house. Because I'm a, I used to cook, a be a chef for a living. Yes, so we're making dinners and you know we're inviting, have tons of people over and it made sense, right, having more robust cooking equipment made sense. Today. That's not our lifestyle. So, yeah, you're absolutely right, let's not put it on to that. And yes, we were planning on going to Vegas in February. Let's shift that. Let's shift our piece. What's more important, now we get into a priorities conversation. Are we aligned with what we truly wanted for our future plans? And so the conversations are much different. They're much more in depth than just a yes, no, and so I think there's a long-winded answer here for what Natalie was saying. Yeah, I'm glad to hear that you're aware that, hey, you'll deal with it on Sunday and that making it be too much of a crux can be a part, can be a problem, right?

natalie davis: 6:46

Yeah, I love that. Well, alan, I thank you for thinking that. I said Sunday it was some with an M which is not. Sunday. I was like did she say Sunday? I didn't, I said someday.

Alain Dumonceaux: 7:00

But I was giving you a deadline.

natalie davis: 7:02

You gave me that, just gave me anxiety. You see how I just I needed to just address that. And accountability I want to make sure that everyone is aware.

Alain Dumonceaux: 7:11

I just made a note. Call Natalie after.

Pamela Cass: 7:13

Call Natalie on Sunday Saturday.

Alain Dumonceaux: 7:16

I got her email, so I'll send it.

Pamela Cass: 7:18

Make sure she's okay, can you?

Alain Dumonceaux: 7:19

deal with your emotions this week.

Pamela Cass: 7:21

Exactly this week, when you were talking about the boundaries with your wife and speaking up, you know, my coach said to me once you deserve what you allow. Yeah, such a like, kind of like well, that's mean, don't say that. And I was like you are so right when we don't speak up and then we hold this resentment and then use that resentment against somebody because we didn't have the courage to set those boundaries at the beginning. That's not fair to them and it's certainly not fair to ourselves either. I'd like you to share with us so you help men go through this process. If they're married, what's the involvement of the spouse Like? Do they know that they're going through this and what role do they play in that to help them along this journey, or are they not involved?

Alain Dumonceaux: 8:12

I have yet to introduce, although I've been toying with the idea, expanding it to doing couples work as well. Right now, the focus is on helping the guys get right, and I always encourage them to make sure that you know this is the one thing you need to tell your spouse that you're doing. We do have a strict code of confidentiality. What happens at Fight Club stays at Fight Club idea, because some of the guys are going to share some pretty intimate stuff, especially as they start to get a little bit more comfortable, and the goal is not to go around and say, hey, bob just said that, you know, whatever was going on, it's not about that. It's about us learning how to create space, and that's something difficult for guys to understand, and creating space or a container or whatever term you want to use, is really about. Again, it's about teaching us, the guys, to be present.

Alain Dumonceaux: 9:04

Are you watching and looking at the man who's talking right now?

Alain Dumonceaux: 9:08

What are you noticing about him?

Alain Dumonceaux: 9:10

You know, and so some of the, some of the training and the work that you know that I'm currently involved in is really helping me articulate that a bit better with our guys, and so I'll try to do that with you folks as well, and it's just paying attention to even just facial tone, you know color, how it's happening, what's going for them. And then is that happening with me as well? Right, he's talking about something that's really, and he's having a shortness of breath. I feel that I'm doing that too because we become so disconnected as guys like we're. So my I said we're doers, we're not beers, and so it's about learning how to to be in that place, and then you can go back and do the work with your spouse, and so I am looking at how to incorporate couples work, but right now it's about getting the guys to a place where they're starting to see success and regardless of whether, if their relationship is in a place where, like mine was several years ago, where I don't know if tomorrow it's done, yeah.

Alain Dumonceaux: 10:09

It's not about that relationship in the end yeah, it truly is about you being showing up and living the highest vision of who you are as a man. At some point, she's either going to recognize that it's happening yes, and then we'll fall all in love with you all over again, yes or she won't, and either one of those should not have a bearing on how you value yourself. That's hard to say, as I'm saying it out loud, because, let's face it, who doesn't want to feel loved and appreciated? And and we all do, you know for men, we have three truly deep needs. Our needs is to know that we're respected, is to know that we are valued and that we are desired.

Alain Dumonceaux: 10:55

That last one can be tough for women in a relationship. We don't necessarily and please step in and say I don't agree with you if you don't is that I don't think women see their men after especially been in a relationship for a long time, as somebody that needs that type of support like that. They're desired because society has taught us that we desire women. But men are not desired and I'm not talking about the guy with the six-pack abs you know on the, you know on the movies or that but to be not the eye candy.

natalie davis: 11:30

That's not what we're talking about.

Alain Dumonceaux: 11:31

Yeah, I'm not talking eye candy, stuff like that's. That's past. That true, deep desire is that you're totally enthralled with this individual they bring you. So the three things we want to be valued, validated, respected and and we want to be validated, respected and we want to be desired Women want to be seen, heard and feel safe. Right, and so we talk, seen and heard. That means being present, guys. How present are you? Are you on your phone, like many of us are today during our conversations? Is it just couch surf? You know, one on one end and one on the other, and not talking to each other? Are you planning date nights? Are you doing anything with each other? And then to feel safe?

Alain Dumonceaux: 12:11

It's more than just and I think I talked about that earlier. It's more than just financial and physical. It's about emotional, it's about spiritual. What if she doesn't have the same beliefs as you? What if those are different pieces? How are you going to reconcile that in your relationship?

Alain Dumonceaux: 12:28

And so, when we start to come from those perspectives, we understand that, of all of the things that we can think about men and women and relationships, if we can distill us to those three key pillars on either side and we work on that, I think we find that we'll have a society that you know comes back to really understanding the importance of of family and couples and getting together and and working truly as one.

Alain Dumonceaux: 12:56

I think we've got a lot of work to do that here in North America and but I think there's so many of us doing this work together, like your folks or you're doing. You know I'm doing immense, immense work, moral commerce type conversations. We have this like this the more times that we can break the stereotype of what masculine and feminine is all about. What does it mean to be a man? What does it mean to be a woman? But you know those are less important in the big picture. It's about how are we showing up as people, right, like how do we show up as a human? And then the other things will start to take care of themselves.

natalie davis: 13:33

You unlocked something significant and I want to go back to, like, the three needs of men and the three needs of women and for me, same two. The first two were the same but in the space that you had desired, I always had that as needed and, as you were talking about that, and I think that might be a school of thought, that's out there, but just I again, as I'm processing through, when I think of needed the energy around that is more obligatory, right, like I am obligated to need this individual to you know, to feel safe or to be. I need that instead of desired, because that's such that the layers of the energy that comes with truly desiring an individual is so much deeper than well, I need. I need that person or they need, they need to feel needed and wanted. Desired, I think is is so deep and would create a richer relationship for men and women, or you, the masculine and the feminine.

Alain Dumonceaux: 14:35

let's say it that way yes, I love that you're using that term and the needed, because you know I got a couple thoughts on that one. I hadn't thought of it in that vein. You talked about needed, meaning like she needs me or you know I need him, type of that. I think that's where you were going with it, that's exactly. That's very interesting. And the with it, that's exactly it. That's very interesting. And the moment you said needed and I wrote it down and I went needy, yeah, you know how much that's the masculine side of it. Am I needy Because I'm lacking desire? Am I needy? And when I'm needy, then the relationship goes from being an adult relationship becoming more of a parent relationship.

Alain Dumonceaux: 15:22

I've heard men talk about my ex said that you know she was raising another child, right, okay, buddy, let's talk about what that looked and felt like and what was going on. And sometimes for us, us guys, it was. We do become mama's boys. You know we didn't. We didn't decouple from our mother, right? We? We replaced her with our wife, our girlfriend, our two partners, right, like, we replaced that relationship and she didn't get into it to have that. She got into this relationship because she may have needed you for safety. You know, feeling seen and heard, but what she truly wants is to desire what you bring to the table, and that's so much bigger than just physical. It's about emotional. It brings as you were saying, natalie, it does bring some other nuances and layers to what that relationship looks like, and so, quite honestly, I struggle with that, you know, even to this day it's.

Alain Dumonceaux: 16:26

One of the things is that, you know, I'm a physical individual, right, I chose a profession that was physical. I did everything with my hands. I'm cooking, everything is, you know, I'm doing stuff. So everything is high touch is important to me in how my life unfolds. That doesn't resonate with my wife. That high touch piece isn't for her, and so we've had to learn and I've had to learn. Okay, I'll slow down a bit and sometimes that she needs to tell me, okay, I'm feeling smothered. Babe, thank you for telling me that I didn't. I just get caught in my routine, my daily routine. Okay, just give her some space. I don't need you to tell me you love me for the 50th time today. Oh, yeah, sorry, you know, because we get caught in our daily routines, right, that, yes, I'm old enough to know what a record player was, right, so, yes, you know that vinyl had a scratch in it and it just keeps clicking, it just sits there, I'm here, you know it's like okay, thanks for the bump, and now it moves to the next song.

Alain Dumonceaux: 17:28

Right, yeah and so sometimes this is what. This is what happens in relationship. But unless you have some where are some self-awareness and you're starting to do this work, you'll tend to struggle. Yeah, just spin your wheels.

natalie davis: 17:44

Yeah, that's huge. But again, it comes back to the conversation, right, like, you have to be able to have those conversations with your either yourself or your significant other partner, I think even kids, right, this is it's. We haven't really touched on that piece of it, but it's so important for us to even have these discussions with our children because we just assume that they're going to grow up under our guidance and become the humans that we envision them to be and become the humans that we envision them to be. But they're their own human, with their own set of needs, and they don't have an understanding of the basic needs and how they're going to navigate who they are, who they're aspiring to be. It's so important in every relationship that we have.

Alain Dumonceaux: 19:21

Absolutely. And I think we take it for granted and or don't recognize the influence that our significant relationship have had in our lives, right? And so when you're a parent, how dad treats mom is resonating for the son and the daughter, right. How mom treats dad is the same right. How we handle conflict, you know whether we do we actually deal with conflict or is it pushed under the rug. Do we engage in heavy conversations or deep conversations or do we not talk about things?

Alain Dumonceaux: 19:57

And I think how, when we start to recognize that these influences are there and I you know I think one of us had talked about already today that our values sometimes are borrowed, yes, right, our beliefs are borrowed, are they? And I always ask the question we do I take them? Another tool as I take them through a values exercise basically list of a hundred or plus adjectives to and to do a little chart with it. So I get them to do them in five columns and then summarize it down into five words. So you know they'll go from whatever 25 to 30, down to five, down to one, and, if at all possible now, out of those five are to one, to write a sentence and summarize that it may have those words in it. It may not, but it summarizes your idea. And then the question is does that still serve you today?

natalie davis: 20:48

Yeah, exactly.

Alain Dumonceaux: 20:50

Because, again, we think that, well, I say I valid family is important to me. Being a father has been important to me, but I can tell you when I said that when in my, when I was in my young, in my twenties, career was more important, family was not, I took it for granted. Well, they're going to be there, right? And my kids, when their mom and I split, whenever they fell down, they were, you know, my oldest was just getting ready to go to kindergarten and the other one's two and a half years younger than that. So they just knew that dad worked lots, but we never had the. I never recognized the work that I know today of how much influence that I was having by not being present with them and not sharing. And so I used to say dad's go through three different phases and you know what were? You know that dad's cool, you know. And then dad gets to tell son, you know he's not very brilliant, you know what do you know, dad? And then dad's cool again.

Alain Dumonceaux: 21:45

And I listened to Patrick, bet David, and he talked about fatherhood and you know father-son relationships and I liked the way he framed, he coined it and it was at first. We're idolized as dads, you know, then we're villainized, right, dad does not, and then we become humanized. Yeah, you know, and I'm at that stage now with with one of my sons anyways, and so you know, dad's kind of cool now he, he wants to know my opinion on things, he wants to, to spend time with, with him, and I really liked how David framed that. It just made sense, that humanized really made sense to me and it's something that like because of the mistakes that I've made in life as I work with men. You know, we just finished doing a module on brotherhood what does it mean to be brotherhood?

Alain Dumonceaux: 22:37

And so I asked him to come up with five people that would sit on their iron council. These would be your pallbearers. Who are those people? What attributes do they bring to the table? Why are they on that list? And, uh, if your dad's not on there, you got to wonder why. You know, maybe you didn't have a great relationship with him, but even if you didn't, still left you with so many great lessons, because you can come back from, you can go from that and say, well, yeah, I didn't like the way that was. My dad was an alcoholic or you know, maybe he was, you know, abusive to my mom, and but I know that I will never be that man. So thank you, dad, for showing me that.

natalie davis: 23:19

Showing me what I don't want.

Alain Dumonceaux: 23:21

Yeah, exactly we always think that mentors are always the thing that show us positive, but I can tell you, the mentors that I have most affection for are the ones who are the hardest on me. Yeah, they didn't. They knew that. Okay, you're not really showing up today Like you're just, you're slacking off, like come on. Those are the guys that I have the most respect for today and today.

Alain Dumonceaux: 23:43

You know, in saying that today, some people would think, well, that was toxic. It wasn't toxic for me, it wasn't toxic anyways I. But I, because I needed somebody to hold me accountable today in my men's work. You know, we try to do our work with as little judgment as possible. We have enough judgment in this world and you know, in men, for men, we get that hand over fist. Hey, if you're not, you know, if you're not excellent at being a carpenter, you know it's more of the masculine type of thing task you would think we're not really manly. And so today our work is really about compassionate accountability. Hey, brother, you said you wanted to lose 40 pounds on this journey and you're struggling. How can I support you in that? What can happen? So it's not that I'm letting them off the hook. Yeah, right, and it's not like I'm sitting there going, you're a loser, you don't know what you're doing, get out. Yeah, that kind of stuff doesn't work for anybody. It works for very, very few people and for us.

natalie davis: 24:43

Exactly Short-lived.

Alain Dumonceaux: 24:52

Maybe once if you're lucky, yeah, and instead it's about compassion and showing up, because, as a father, that's how I would, that's how I want to show up. I want to show up and and be be there for my, for my children and support them, but also let them know that, hey, you're not showing up 100% here. What's going on? Yeah, so what's happening for you? What are you going through? What is the season that's happening in your life? And then we have some.

Alain Dumonceaux: 25:16

My son and I have some pretty challenging conversations, and I see some of the choices he's making, and I'm going at 27 or 28,. I made some choices too, and if I was to do it over again, these are some decisions I would make differently, and this is why I would make the decision differently. I'm not saying you should do the same, but you shouldn't have a clear understanding of the decision you make today. Is tomorrow's outcome Right? And so we? Change happens, while you know, tony Robbins is famous for saying change happens in an instant. We don't see it until something major happens. Right, because it's so incremental. It's just so incremental.

natalie davis: 26:01

Well, I love that we have this new era of the compassionate, awakened man Again. Probably not the era that we grew up in. This was not a space that existed. Let's just say that it was not a space that existed. So I am one want to just say thank you for bringing it to the forefront, making it your purpose and your mission to continue to impact the lives of individual men, just as they're navigating through life. But for our listeners, if they want to learn more about what you have going on and how they can connect with you, how can they do so?

Alain Dumonceaux: 26:37

Yeah, the best way to do that is go to my website, theawakenmannet, and when you go to the website, you're gonna see a little pop-up, and the pop-up is a free exercise that you can download. It's called setting the compass. It gives you a flavor of the kind of work we do here, and what the exercise is going to ask you to do is to look at the last 12 months of your life and there's a few questions in there for you to go through. I think there's five questions, and, and the last thing you'll do is you're going to write a headline that would articulate what the last 12 months have ultimately culminated with, and then the exercise asks you to do in the next 12 months similar questions, forward thinking, and then to write a new headline Very similar to I'm the kind of person who, so download that exercise.

Alain Dumonceaux: 27:23

I encourage you to go through it. I think you'll find that you know what happened in the past is going to be quite a bit different than what you wanted to show up, and you'll start to see the dissonance and the gap and where you can start to consider what work needs to happen, and from there somebody can give me a call. I haven't. I don't have ladies doing this work. It doesn't mean that I wouldn't accept and be more than thrilled to work with women, for sure, I think we all need this kind of help, so it's open to everyone. But it's a free resource. Go to theawakenmannet download that. I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun doing the exercise.

natalie davis: 27:59

Awesome, that is amazing. So that's a free tool, the Compass. If you all did not hear, go to the website. We'll make sure that we drop the link in the show notes as well. Do you have any final tips, advice, words for our listeners, something that you know that you want to share, that you brought in with you today, that we didn't have a chance to talk about?

Alain Dumonceaux: 28:21

Yeah, I like to have everybody leave with this idea. It doesn't matter who we are, where we are in the planet today, there's always an opportunity to gain wisdom, and we can gain wisdom from three different ways. We can gain it first through reflection. We talked a lot about that today, didn't we? You know, about thinking about how life has unfolded for us, and so what are some of the different changes? And so that's one way, and the other way we can learn how to gain wisdom is to do that through imitation.

Alain Dumonceaux: 28:46

You know so if you're thinking about being a podcaster, you want to get into coaching, you want to do something, just look at somebody, find a mentor, someone that can help you and guide you on that journey Whether they're truly somebody you speak to or someone that you just admire from afar and gain some wisdom from that, because it's the experience in life that really gets us the deep knowledge we have. And the final way that I encourage you to consider finding wisdom is through that experience. It may not always be pleasant, but it's worthwhile. Don't be afraid to lean into the things that you're uncomfortable with, to reach out and get the help that you need so that you can become the person that you're uncomfortable with, to, to reach out and get the help that that you need so that you can become the person that you're aspiring to become. And we all do that as a, as a planet. All our issues go away.

natalie davis: 29:34

Yeah, oh, my gosh, that's powerful. That's powerful Comes down to those three things yeah, oh, my goodness. Well, thank you, Alan. This has been a delight, and obviously Pam and I don't do well, maybe it's not so obvious, but Pam and I don't do a lot of work in terms of the masculine energy space, so it's lovely to see that and thank you again for the work that you're doing.

natalie davis: 29:58

The tools that you are giving individuals so that they can live their best on purpose and fulfilled lives that is tremendous. We will make sure that we put all of your contact information in the show notes and our listeners can reach out to you. And if you our listeners are wanting to know what's happening in the world of Reignite Resilience, you can head on over to reigniteresiliencecom, check in with us there or find us on Facebook and Instagram. And if you have not already which I'm sure you all are sick of hearing me say it if you've not already, or if you're new here, make sure that you subscribe to our think letter. It is a weekly think letter that gives you additional tools and resources to help you overcome adversity, to live in a resilient life and continue to ignite the fire within Until next time, we will see you all soon.

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