Transforming Challenges into Growth Opportunities + Resiliency with Dan DeVries (part 2)

What if the path to personal success doesn't align with society's definition? Join us as we pose this provocative question to our insightful guest, Dan DeVries, who shares his wisdom on the art of crafting a unique vision for success. Dan challenges societal norms like the tall poppy syndrome and urges listeners to embrace the courage needed to break free from these constraints. Through personal anecdotes, he reveals the importance of adapting goals to align with life's transformations, encouraging personal growth and authenticity in the journey toward fulfillment.

Ever wondered what fuels your deepest motivations? In our conversation with Dan, we unpack the layers of motivation, moving beyond superficial desires to uncover what truly drives us. Together, we explore the pivotal role of understanding genuine motivations in overcoming life's hurdles. Dan highlights the unique bond between coach and client, emphasizing transparency and support as key elements that nurture motivation and resilience. This relationship not only propels individuals toward their goals but also brings immense joy to those guiding them, as they witness the long-lasting impact of their coaching.

Stepping away from societal expectations to embrace change demands immense courage, and Dan exemplifies this with stories from his own journey. Reflecting on the resistance faced when redefining one's path, he underscores the power of anchoring oneself in personal values and passions. We discuss the importance of setting ambitious goals, like impacting a million young lives, and the realities of navigating initial failures and discomfort. With today's unprecedented opportunities, Dan inspires us to leverage various platforms to reach and uplift others, highlighting the value of ambition and persistence in achieving extraordinary impact.

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Chapters

• 0:06 Reignite Resilience
• 9:28 Uncovering True Motivations
• 15:18 Navigating Change and Social Expectations
• 21:18 Embracing Challenges and Setting Ambitious Goals

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:06

All of us reach a point in time where we are depleted and need to somehow find a way to reignite the fire within. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience, where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. Resilience where we will venture into the heart of the human spirit. We'll discuss the art of reigniting our passion and strategies to stoke our enthusiasm. And now here are your hosts, natalie Davis and Pamela Cass.

Speaker 2: 0:41

Welcome back to part two of our two-part interview with Dan DeVries. We are so excited to dive right back in and we're going to pick up where we left off, where we explore what does success really look like to you? And then we'll hear more about Dan's endeavors to empower 1 million young people around the world. We hope you enjoy.

Speaker 3: 1:03

We're working on creating business planning right now for our coaching clients with a group, and one of the activities we're going to go through is what does success mean to you? Because even people who are in careers, and been in careers for a while, have never really asked that question to figure it out. Because sometimes it's well, this is what my parents or this is what that other realtor, this is what my broker's telling me, but what about what you?

Speaker 4: 1:27

want? Yeah, well, exactly, and there is a little bit of a, I guess, a culture in Western culture, at least in that taking time for yourself, that selfishness can be seen as a negative trait. You shouldn't be focusing so much on yourself. It has negative connotations sometimes. You know, socially and culturally that can be an issue I find, at least especially in I guess more so in the British-influenced cultures the stronger the British influence, the more shame-bound and that. Oh well, like you know, it's not about me. You know there's a bigger picture here and there's a lot of truth in that.

Speaker 4: 2:04

But also, to serve your community best and to do the best for the world around you, you need to get the best out of yourself. If you're pursuing something that is what society has told you to do, or your parents have not necessarily directly told you but have kind of baked into you in the way that you were raised, if you don't do something that's truly for yourself, you'll just end up being bitter and disappointed. And even if you, like me, are super competitive and will push through and you'll get there, you'll get to the end. Or you'll get to the destination and say, wow, this isn't really what I was expecting. I was expecting to be content and satisfied. And I get here and it's not what I wanted.

Speaker 3: 2:43

I think a lot of people face that.

Speaker 2: 2:46

It's interesting you say that, dan, I have family that lives in the UK and friends from Australia and that tall poppy syndrome is a real thing, like you hear about it all the time. Right, like you can be amazing, just stay at the same height as the rest of the poppy. Right, like you stay right there with everyone else. Just culturally as well. That's a big piece and I love that that you're able to extract that with the individuals that you're working with, or at least address it, because oftentimes we don't talk about it.

Speaker 2: 3:25

Tools that you're utilizing with your coaching clients and really dialing in on what it is that they want. But then I think the second piece that you started to allude to and take us towards is understanding that things will be different. When we talk about change. Right, like human nature, we don't really want things to change, but the only constant in our lives is change. And so, as you're giving your clients these tools and resources or modalities, or fill in the blank with whatever you're providing to your clients, having that understanding that when you arrive on the other end, that things will look different, feel different, and that goalpost may have moved as well, or that target may have moved while we went through that process and I've never processed the change piece of the work that we do when we're working with our clients, because that's huge if they're not prepared for that.

Speaker 4: 4:09

Yeah, it's critical and I also would say that, importantly, it should change. If you have one goal. If you have one goal like I want to be, pick a goal. A lot of people say I want to be the CEO. I'm like sweet. If that's so, first of all let's unpack that and see if you actually want to be the CEO, because you've got this lovely rose-tinted view of what being a CEO is all about. And yeah, there's some cool stuff, but there's plenty of not so cool stuff about everything that we do. So let's unpack that firstly. But then the other part is it should change your views. You grow in so many different ways, not just professionally, as you go through these processes and what you want will change. I remember having this kind of epiphany, I don't know how long ago, but when I was quite young. You look at your parents and you go like God, they're kind of just boring, it's going, you know it's going to be. It's going to be so like, oh, I don't want to be, I don't want to be 40.

Speaker 2: 5:10

There's more than that. I'm not doing that.

Speaker 4: 5:12

Yeah, like, like, like, I don't want to be 40. What they do is so boring. And then you know, maybe you turn 30 and you look at them and they're 50 and you're like, oh, I don't want to be 50. That's kind of looks boring, like why would you do this for fun? But eventually you hit that point where you go actually at every age in your life you do the things that you want to do, because those are the things that are interesting to you.

Speaker 4: 5:34

What's interesting to me now was not interesting to me when I was 20 years old, and so there is a necessity for your goals to change. And this is a little bit morbid, but what I say to people is that you don't want to reach the end, like not now, because the end is literally when you die. That's it. That's the end. So it's a journey the whole way through, and I know that sounds a little bit cheesy, but it is a journey the whole way through and I try to keep the cheesiness to a minimum in what I do, because you, you know you can get very, you know, woo, woo and you know, talk about oh, it's about the journey, and people who kind of don't take you so seriously when you use those.

Speaker 2: 6:12

Well, I was going to say our listeners are used to that. I'm the woo woo, one of the two of us, so it's fine.

Speaker 4: 6:18

Look, the woo woo stuff is is valuable, right, but depending on your audience, you have to kind of tone it down something. In some ways. You set a goal. I like to say create a vision, because a goal is strict and rigid, and rigidity in long-term goals is a recipe for dissatisfaction, because if you set a very specific goal, it's very hard to reach a very specific goal in, say, 10 or 20 years. If you set a really tight one, like I want to be the CEO of that company, yeah, mate, that's like one of hundreds of thousands of companies, why set yourself up for disappointment when you can say, hey, I want to be a CEO, or, better yet, I want to be in a senior leadership role where I'm doing things that are interesting to me and pursuing things that I value. So creating that vision gives you more flexibility in your goal and having flexibility in your goal allows you to, you know, chop and change and move around and pivot and do things that connect with you at the time, because as you get older, you're going to value different things.

Speaker 4: 7:15

Like I was saying back at the start, you know, I didn't want to sit in a classroom and do classroom work, but I did my MBA. I graduated 2023 and I loved that process. I loved doing the assignments and and you know, proper nerd loved doing every little bit of it. But at that point in my life I really enjoyed it and it wasn't like you're not going to love what you love now forever. Things will evolve. I mean things should evolve because you should change over time and take the time to really let that sink in and think about it, because in everything we do that's going to happen.

Speaker 3: 7:50

I love the idea of the vision rather than just a specific goal, because I do I think we do get tied to those really specific goals and if it's just more of a vision that's fluid, that can change as your journey, because sometimes it's like, yeah, I really don't want that anymore, and that that vision can just slightly change to meld into something different.

Speaker 4: 8:11

so I think that's a great way to look at that. It's a vision based on your, your innate personal values. What matters to you, what you want to and that's one of the things that I, that I work with people on to start with is like what do you actually care about? Not what do you think you should care about? And having that conversation in a genuinely I guess a safe space, you might say if people come to me and say I just want to make as much money as humanly possible, zero judgment. If that's actually what you want to do, there are ways to do that. We'll have a chat about it. And if it comes down to it and that's what you truly want to do and it's the only thing that matters to you at this point in time, let's do it. If that's what you want to do. But you have to want it and it has to be what you actually want, because if you're doing it out of some proxy or some other reason, you're not going to be able to sustain it.

Speaker 4: 8:58

Nothing meaningful is ever achieved in a short amount of time. Everything meaningful that we value as humans takes a long time. Building a business takes a long time. Building a career takes a long time. Building a relationship takes a long time. It all takes significant amounts of time, and so for it to be tied to your values of what you really care about is the only way you are going to be able to sustain action towards whatever it is that you want to achieve over the years and decades that it takes to do the things that matter. Well said.

Speaker 2: 9:29

It will fizzle. I think that's the big piece. Like whatever you think that motivator, it will start to fizzle and it typically fizzles quickly or as soon as things become challenging or difficult.

Speaker 4: 9:40

Yeah, well, that's it. You come against a challenge, like, oh, do I really want to persevere in the face of this? You quickly find out. Once things get hard, you're like, yeah, I don't really want to do this anymore. It's not for me, right.

Speaker 3: 9:51

I didn't really want that.

Speaker 4: 9:54

Yeah, was it really that important? And when you're questioning it you're like no, actually clearly it wasn't really that important, and I still, even after I've spoken. So I give free initial consultations to anyone out there on the internet who wants one, and I've spoken to probably 300 people so far and some people will come in with this idea of I just want to get a really high paying job and make lots of money. I'm like sweet, let's dig into that, because that is what you want and we figure out that's truly what you actually want. Mate, we can do that, that's no problem, and there's zero judgment from me. You'll get judged by society, but there's zero judgment from me.

Speaker 4: 10:30

And if that's what you want to do, but if you care about it, you actually don't really care what anyone else thinks about it. This is what I want to do. It's for me. I'm going to put in the time, effort, energy to create this thing that I want, and other people's opinions start to become less important in that scenario. But I've yet to come across someone who says that initially, and then we get to the point where, like, yes, this is our primary target, this is our goal. I still think that most people don't end up being solely driven by money, because it's kind of this intangible, weird thing that we as humans created. That's not part of our DNA, our evolution, that make us into the thing that we as humans created.

Speaker 3: 11:04

That's, you know, not part of our dna, our evolution, that make us into the animals that we are and I think, if you can take them from I want to make the most money I possibly can and then drill it down to what the true reason is, that's when the magic happens, because then they really, truly understand why it is they want that money, whether it's to create a legacy or whatever that is. That's when you get that fuel behind them, where they'll be unstoppable.

Speaker 4: 12:24

And then, funnily enough, they'll probably end up making all that money anyway.

Speaker 3: 12:27

Absolutely.

Speaker 4: 12:28

It's a happy byproduct of doing something that is valuable and that society values, that is meaningful and that you're truly interested in pursuing and it is worth something to you. You don't necessarily have to be super passionate about it, but as long as it's something that you care about, it doesn't need to be, I guess, like my passion of helping young people. It doesn't have to be, doesn't have to excite you so much that you can't wait to get out of bed in the morning, but it needs to be meaningful and valuable to you. You have to truly value it for being an end in and of itself.

Speaker 3: 12:59

How do you get people past the thought of being judged? So, like somebody says, I just want to make the most money in the world and that truly is what drives them, it's passions them. I could see where they could not want to verbalize that because it would make them feel like they're going to be judged or whatever.

Speaker 4: 13:15

That's usually the example that I use. I say, you know it's. Usually you have to come into this first session or second session with complete transparency, knowing that there's zero judgment from my end, and I have to say, look, you're going to have to trust me on that. But I also say there's this lovely third you know arm's length distance with working with someone that you don't know, or at least you don't know them at the start, and so you connect up with them and you say, look, I don't know your brothers, sisters, mom, dad, colleagues, friends, family. I don't know any of them. So even if you confess to me, all you care about is making money and you feel kind of uneasy about that because there's this social kind of taboo around it. Even with that, who am I going to tell? What's the risk? I don't know anyone that you know. You could tell me that you want to do underwater basket weaving for a living and you're passionate about it and you're embarrassed about it, but what do I care? I'm literally in this just for you.

Speaker 2: 14:13

Let's put a strategy together for underwater basket weaving.

Speaker 4: 14:16

Let's do it let's put a strategy together together for underwater basket weaving. Let's do it, let's, let's do it. But it's it's. It's that I'm taking time out of my life to do this with you and I want you to be successful, because if you're not successful, I'll be disappointed, like I get a real buzz out of helping people be successful and and the biggest buzz for me is, you know, you get a phone call.

Speaker 4: 14:34

I've got a phone call from people that used to work for me, you know, like three years later, going hey, dan, I just got promoted into this role. I really appreciate everything you helped me with. All of these things that you taught me over the time really helped me to take that next step. And I'm here now and I feel so energized and so excited about it and to get a phone call like that or a text like that. There's very few better feelings than that in the world. Really. You just feel like, oh, they took the time years later to send me a message to let me know that what I did helped them in some way in their life, and you feel just so warm and fuzzy when you get that kind of feedback.

Speaker 3: 15:10

I love that. That's awesome, which is why I mean Natalie and I are both professional coaches. I mean we are big proponents in having that person. That is that outside of your normal, they don't know anybody around you and so they can be subjective and really help you achieve the vision that you want for yourself.

Speaker 4: 15:29

And they don't have any preconceived ideas. Like you know, you could come in as a. You know, everyone in your friends and family group knows you as the insert profession here. You're the doctor, you're the nurse, you're the real estate agent and you're like yeah, but this isn't for me. I really want to be a. I usually use really stupid and out there examples Like I really want to be a circus clown, like just something totally different, a little afraid of clowns, you know. But honestly, if you want to be that awesome, let's do it Like if that's what, if lights a fire under you, let's make it happen and you can be the best damn circus clown that you can ever be in your life and that's the thing. And so you don't have that preconceived idea.

Speaker 4: 16:14

And one of the biggest things that I see people struggle with and I struggled with this myself when I started this coaching thing is that the way that our brains work. We need to apply simplistic labels and put people in boxes so that we know oh, that's Dan the engineer. You know what I mean. We need that for us to be able to navigate social interactions. When you change who you are, people struggle with it big time. Exactly, yes, massively no, you're not that, you're this.

Speaker 2: 16:43

You are not a circus clown, you are the physician.

Speaker 4: 16:47

Yeah, like, what? Like no, no, no, no. And they get this. It creates this real friction in people's brains. You know, when you're on the receiving side, that creates friction with your decision to change who you are. That's a very difficult process to go through and when I first started putting myself there I've been in the aerospace game for a long time and then I start all of a sudden. You just immediately decide well, I start putting stuff on LinkedIn and I'm going to coach young people and I'm going to help them with their careers, and people like I got plenty of messages going like what's all this? Then, like, this isn't what you do, what are you doing? Like, I'm doing what I want to do and you got to be strong in the face of that Cause.

Speaker 4: 17:32

There's a lot of it's. It's almost like a different version of the tall poppy syndrome. It's like you're not fitting into my neat little box of who I thought you were, which allows me to understand the world. It's tough because you'll immediately go ah, you feel like you have to justify yourself and it's really hard. And helping people through that I mean even just sharing my own story of that helps. It helps other people go like okay, the change will be difficult and there will be lots of feelings of awkwardness, especially a big change that kind of comes out of the blue, so to speak. When someone sees you stop this and go back to university and study medicine and become a doctor, they go ah, okay, there was a transition and it kind of works. And I go nope, this is what I'm doing now.

Speaker 4: 18:14

I'm this person now and I've had people, at the very start of when I started doing this, reach out and give me the what's all this or send you memes that make fun of what you're doing and genuinely, in pretty good humor, like they're not trying to drag you down, it's them trying to process the change that's happening in front of their eyes. And then, but those same people in front of their eyes. And then, but those same people, you know, two years later, reach out and go like, hey, I've got this friend who probably should talk to because they need help with that. And once that happens, you know like, okay, the change is now complete in their minds. The change was already complete in my mind before anyone knew that I'd made this change.

Speaker 4: 18:49

So for you, because you live in your own brain, you've made that change for you You're like well, I've made this change, this is who I am now. I've accepted that I've made the transition. The change was I went through a process, because you probably thought about it for a long time before the external manifestation, before taking action, and so for you, it wasn't an overnight change. It was a change that gradually appeared, but you hadn't, I guess, externally socialized it. And so for other people, they haven't gone through the same process of you, so they need to go through their own process of understanding why this changed, what it's about, and allow their view of you as a person to change into something that okay, now you're in this nice new little box and now I can forget about that.

Speaker 2: 19:33

It's not about you. That's the thing. We always say that right, it's rarely about us, it's about the other person and they've got to get through whatever it is that they're working through. I think the other piece is, if you're not standing strong and firm in those anchors that you mentioned, like if it doesn't align with your core values and who you are and your true passion and purpose in life, it is easier to get derailed by the one meme. I mean that meme can feed that voice in the back of your head to say you know what? You're right. This is silly. I'm just going to go back to doing what I did before. I don't know why. I thought I was going to venture out and do something new or try to change who I am. Yeah, you have to have that anchor.

Speaker 4: 20:11

You got to be brave, you got to be courageous. You do you. As we get older, we are less okay with that. The younger you are, typically, the more you're okay with trying things Like oh yeah, we'll give that a go, do things you don't mind, and being bad at something as well, especially if you're a high achiever and you've come through whatever you've done in your life and you expect to be good at things because you've lived in this brain and body of yours for the last 10 years being good at X, y and Z, you're like well, I'm just good at things.

Speaker 4: 20:45

For me, I mean, the prime example is so I started playing guitar when I was nine and, like all nine-year-olds playing guitar, I was terrible, of course. Right, you got to start somewhere and I've been playing for 30-odd years and for me it's totally second nature. Now I can just pick up guitar, sing and play. It's great, it's fun. I do it as a bit of a you know, stress relief and just I enjoy it. I really love it.

Speaker 4: 21:08

But then I expect there's this expectation I'm really, I'm really quite good at it. So then you pick up well, I should be able to do everything to that level, you know, I should be able to. You need to go through the process of being really bad at that new thing and embracing the badness, getting involved and doing it anyway, and I find that most people, myself included, we shy away a little bit from being bad at stuff. So, instead of taking on something completely new, we'll just take on something that's 10% different, so that we can take 90% of what we know and apply it and be like, oh see, I'm still good at things. So you know, self-worth intact, but doing something totally left field and challenging yourself to create a new skill or create a new experience, something that's just not anything you've done before, and be okay, be more than okay. Embrace being bad at something, yeah, because without the repetition, without doing it lots, you know, anyone who's good at anything has done it a lot. That's just a simple fact of life that's so funny.

Speaker 3: 22:10

You say that because, like the older I get, I just expect to be able to do something and be able to do it really well. And yeah, I think last year that my friends are like let's do pickle ball. And I'm like, I'm very athletic, I always pick up a sport really quick not so much with pickleball, like what the? And I'm just like and I didn't. I was like I'm just gonna quit this, I don't like it yeah it's not for me yeah not for me, but I'm like dude, like if you did it like consistently you would get better.

Speaker 3: 22:36

But yeah, when you're an achiever, you just expect it to be easy, yeah yes, you do you do, sometimes it's not so much On that note.

Speaker 2: 22:45

I am picking up pickleball this year and it is going to be easy and I'm going to do it well because my children have challenged me to pickleball and I'm going to be phenomenal. I've got to beat them, but anyways, that's a side note in a different episode.

Speaker 3: 22:58

We'll talk about that.

Speaker 4: 22:59

Maybe I'll do it with you, because you're valuing the challenge and you're going to prove someone wrong and I can tell that that's important to you.

Speaker 2: 23:05

That's it. That is very important to me.

Speaker 4: 23:08

You think that you think I'm not going to be able to do this? Well, let me show you, then it's not even about the pickleball, is it? It's not about the pickleball, it's about that, that internal drive.

Speaker 3: 23:17

Yeah, and that competition a little bit. So that's it, I love it. I love it.

Speaker 2: 23:22

Well, Dan, I would like to ask you, I don't want to say putting you in the hot seat. But I do want to ask you one big question, and it is around this mission that you have 1 million young lives, that you are impacting and empowering these individuals. One what does it look like? And then number two why? Why a million?

Speaker 4: 23:40

So what does it look like? I don't really know. I don't know exactly what that looks like. I have yet to even define how I am going to measure it and, as someone with a technical background, measuring is very important to me. But I'm in the process of putting together a framework of how I'm going to measure the number of people that I've impacted. Now I am going to be because it's a million and a million is a very big number I'm going to measure the number of people that I've impacted. Now I am going to be cause it's a million and a million is a very big number I'm going to give myself a little bit of latitude in how that is. So things like if it's people that have, say, watched my videos, I'm going to count that as I've had some kind of impact.

Speaker 4: 24:16

If it's people that I'm not going to work one-on-one with a million people let's just put it that way that's not going to happen. I would have to live forever. It's not going to happen and I'm okay with that. But there's tiers of how involved I am in the process of one-on-one coaching, and then I run some groups, some membership groups, where it's bigger groups of people that I can help one-to-many. And then there's the ultimate one to many, which is internet content doing podcasts, doing TikToks, writing on LinkedIn, sending DMs to people, just communicating with people about what I care about and helping them in whatever I can, providing as much information to help them on their journey as possible.

Speaker 4: 24:56

I'm still coming up with, yeah, like I said, that framework of measuring that the million thing. It's got to be a big, seemingly insurmountable goal. I think some of the stuff that I've been thinking about and reading lately is that most of us set our goals too small because we want to achieve them. And if you don't push yourself, if I don't reach a million, I'm not going to think any less of myself, but I think it's a worthwhile goal and having an impact on a million young people's lives, I think in a positive fashion.

Speaker 4: 25:28

Of course, it's just ambitious and I also want to you know, show people that you know I'm ambitious about things. I want to help you be ambitious. There's a bit of a message there as well is that I want to do this and you might think it's impossible and I genuinely don't know if it's possible. I really have no idea, but I'm still going to figure out a way to get there, and if you don't set yourself targets and ideas that you want to get towards, then you'll just you'll go to the level that it feels comfortable. You know, we as humans will default to the path of least resistance typically, and you really have to push yourself to do things that are, I guess, a little bit out there.

Speaker 2: 26:05

Well, I think that you can do it. I mean, if there was ever a time in history to reach a million people, it's now. You've shared a little bit and given a little bit of hints to the listeners in terms of finding you on the social media platforms. Can you tell our listeners where to find you? It sounds like you go live on TikTok. Quite a bit Good on you, I do TikTok is the wild west.

Speaker 1: 26:28

It is crazy, but it's heaps of fun.

Speaker 4: 26:31

It's so much fun and I've had some really meaningful interactions on there. So I'm most active on LinkedIn Search. My name Daniel DeVries. I'm sure there'll be some links in the show notes or something like that. Most active on LinkedIn. I post multiple times per day on LinkedIn all sorts of stuff, anything from fun, interesting to really in-depth, you know, digging into an issue.

Speaker 4: 26:53

If you are on TikTok, you can jump on. I go live, you know, a few times a week typically and it's every single session is the same. It is a careers questions and answers. Ask me anything. Nothing is off the table. Whatever you want to do and I was on yesterday afternoon Occasionally, if I get a good. I've had some bad interactions, but if I get a good interaction from someone, I'll invite them on and we'll talk live on TikTok. It doesn't just have to be text to video. I've had some people abuse that. It does happen Like you got to go, oh, disconnect, get out. But but those are the. You got to take those risks to to kind of do the interesting things, find the interesting story, talk to the interesting people, help the people that need it, and I've I've connected with the most random people all over the world and it's been really eyeopening and interesting and satisfying.

Speaker 2: 27:38

Love that. We will make sure that we include all of Dan's contact information in the show notes so our listeners can find you on all of the platforms. And I'm sure that there are still lessons that are delivered and lives that are impacted on how you gracefully handle what we'll call internet trolls that are out there. They're out there, it's part of it. So there are still lessons that are learned along the way.

Speaker 2: 27:58

Oh, my goodness, dan, it's been a pleasure. Do you have any last words for our listeners that you'd like to leave us with in terms of finding passion, living your purpose, career advice.

Speaker 4: 28:11

I think the key thing really is about genuinely looking inside yourself and figuring out what you really care about, what actually matters to you. It sounds so cliched, but it's so true. Figure out what you care about and take the time to do it slowly and properly, and sit with it for a little while, because it's uncomfortable at the start and there are processes. Just Google how to do it. There's heaps of things out there. If you just want to take it on yourself, there's a whole big list of processes you can undertake.

Speaker 4: 28:43

But do it. Take the time to do it. Revisit it semi-regularly, at least kind of once a year, so that you know you can be self-aware enough of how you're evolving as a person and how your thoughts and your perspectives are evolving. And if you have a good hold on that and you can hold onto that and implement, everything comes back to your core values as a person. You'll just do well. You may not by someone else's measure, but by your own measure. You will hit your own performance measures so much more easily and you'll feel more satisfied and more content. Perfect.

Speaker 2: 29:17

Well, thank you, thank you. Thank you for taking the time out of your day to join us today. It has been an absolute pleasure. Again, we will make sure that we get you all connected with Dan. We will add his contact information in the show notes and if you're perusing the show notes, you probably noticed there is a freebie for all of our listeners.

Speaker 2: 29:36

Pam and I I don't know how we found the time, but we wrote a book. I don't know how we found the time, but we wrote a book. So we have a book that is available for you, a free ebook, unbreakable, and it will take you through the various proclamations of the Reignite Resilience platform and give you tools and tips and action items to help you on your journey to resiliency. So just click the link or head on over to reigniteresiliencecom, where you can get a copy of the ebook. And if you are interested in hearing from us on a weekly basis, we now have a think letter that goes out every weekend to keep you inspired, motivated and moving forward as we are navigating through this fabulous journey that we call life. Until next time, we will see you all soon.

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